Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
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dgoodhue
BuSTeD 4.3
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
Watch out Steve, You also don't want to get too liberal with the term Turbo T, either. If has a Turbo (3.8 Turbo LC2 option code) and it has the 'T' Package and badging (required by all LC2), it doesn't make it a 'Turbo T' unless it has the WE4 Option code. :lol:
Watch out Steve, You also don't want to get too liberal with the term Turbo T, either. If has a Turbo (3.8 Turbo LC2 option code) and it has the 'T' Package and badging (required by all LC2), it doesn't make it a 'Turbo T' unless it has the WE4 Option code. :lol:
Baythan
SY2TY2SY2TY
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
I know...I didn't want to go there. Don't forget about "Limiteds". :roll:
I know...I didn't want to go there. Don't forget about "Limiteds". :roll:
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
buicks are far from bulletproof
Like Dig said, a buick will ping at 18-24psi and lift a gasket. A Sy/Ty will ping at the same psi and we'll read "why is my truck pinging?" posts for a month until it turns into a"why is my truck knocking?" post. Also, lets not talk about the transmission Now they're getting where they can handle some power. When the buicks first came out is was pretty common to find a GN with a 350 motor and/or a 400 transmission:rant:. They are very easy to tune though!:tup:
Ross
buicks are far from bulletproof
Like Dig said, a buick will ping at 18-24psi and lift a gasket. A Sy/Ty will ping at the same psi and we'll read "why is my truck pinging?" posts for a month until it turns into a"why is my truck knocking?" post. Also, lets not talk about the transmission Now they're getting where they can handle some power. When the buicks first came out is was pretty common to find a GN with a 350 motor and/or a 400 transmission:rant:. They are very easy to tune though!:tup:Ross
UR50SLO
V6+2=LSXCamaro
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
Unfortunatly it still is to some extent.. There were a couple Gn/Regal body cars beside me at the Midwest Buick Challange.. 455buick somthin's in them.. all were really loud and still slower than my car Lol..
Unfortunatly it still is to some extent.. There were a couple Gn/Regal body cars beside me at the Midwest Buick Challange.. 455buick somthin's in them.. all were really loud and still slower than my car Lol..
GangBang Malloy
I need my Syclone :(
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
why is that? why does a GN take out a gasket when is pings but a SyTy will take out a piston???????
plus for the whole stock blocks doing 10s are we talking full on unopened blocks or forged to the teeth???
i mean hell im sure i can get my LS2 in 9s if i forged it too
why is that? why does a GN take out a gasket when is pings but a SyTy will take out a piston???????
plus for the whole stock blocks doing 10s are we talking full on unopened blocks or forged to the teeth???
i mean hell im sure i can get my LS2 in 9s if i forged it too
yudlose
New member
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
Because the buicks have four bolts surrounding the cylinder whereas the Chevy has five.
Because the buicks have four bolts surrounding the cylinder whereas the Chevy has five.
TY0618
Member
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
I wanted a Typhoon since I was in high school, when they were brand new. I had the chance to buy one, I drove to KS with my brother, bought one, than drove it 1100mi. home. I haven't regretted at all! I don't care if the market goes up or down. I have the truck that used to (and still does) keep me awake at nights dreaming of future days to come. I'd take my Ty over any GN, they never did anything for me. I can respect them, but I have no desire to own one.
I wanted a Typhoon since I was in high school, when they were brand new. I had the chance to buy one, I drove to KS with my brother, bought one, than drove it 1100mi. home. I haven't regretted at all! I don't care if the market goes up or down. I have the truck that used to (and still does) keep me awake at nights dreaming of future days to come. I'd take my Ty over any GN, they never did anything for me. I can respect them, but I have no desire to own one.
Raist103
Engine Killer, iPhone Killer, Lawnmower Killer
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
my gn with an unopened stock engine- intake to pan never off went 11.19 @ 121. i had bolt on's turbo dp injectors chip and alkey.
my gn with an unopened stock engine- intake to pan never off went 11.19 @ 121. i had bolt on's turbo dp injectors chip and alkey.
Chest Rockwell
Active member
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
x2, well put. :tup: I didn't have to drive so far for my first one, but was close (800 miles) for the second. I've had most of my dream cars, and gotten tired of them. These are no comparison.
x2, well put. :tup: I didn't have to drive so far for my first one, but was close (800 miles) for the second. I've had most of my dream cars, and gotten tired of them. These are no comparison.
Raist103
Engine Killer, iPhone Killer, Lawnmower Killer
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
then you guys have no taste lol gn is better then a syty in every way
UR50SLO
V6+2=LSXCamaro
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
GN's have 8 head bolts/studs per head where our 4.3's have 13bolts/studs
Better clamping force on the head... thus saving the gasket. If there's too much cyl pressure/detonation and it can't go out the headgasket.. it go's to the next weakest link..
bearings/rods/crank/pistons.
GN's have 8 head bolts/studs per head where our 4.3's have 13bolts/studs
Better clamping force on the head... thus saving the gasket. If there's too much cyl pressure/detonation and it can't go out the headgasket.. it go's to the next weakest link..
bearings/rods/crank/pistons.
TY0618
Member
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
LOL! I think everyone knows Clint Eastwood's line as Dirty Harry about opinions and a$$holes.......LOL! I notice you have 3 Tys!
LOL! I think everyone knows Clint Eastwood's line as Dirty Harry about opinions and a$$holes.......LOL! I notice you have 3 Tys!
GangBang Malloy
I need my Syclone :(
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
seems like the SyTy gets penalized for having better sealing properties on its heads :tdown:
seems like the SyTy gets penalized for having better sealing properties on its heads :tdown:
GAShan
Donating Member
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
The Buick is a boat. Try to run autocross in one. Every time I get in mine I think it rides like a Caddy in comparison to the Sy or Ty. Car floats at high speeds. Damn fast in a straight line. Awesome burnouts (right Adam?). They built almost 110,000 turbo 3.8's if you count the carb'ed cars, TTA's, Rivieras and LeSabres. Much more development work, more cars out there, more aftermarket sources because there was more potential money in it. No recognition on the streets for any of them except among the really knowledgeable. The Sy and Ty are unknowns. My Buick has the full on grandpa treatment, vinyl roof, all the chrome, hood ornament, factory non metallic slate grey paint. Sneaky fast.
The Buick is a boat. Try to run autocross in one. Every time I get in mine I think it rides like a Caddy in comparison to the Sy or Ty. Car floats at high speeds. Damn fast in a straight line. Awesome burnouts (right Adam?). They built almost 110,000 turbo 3.8's if you count the carb'ed cars, TTA's, Rivieras and LeSabres. Much more development work, more cars out there, more aftermarket sources because there was more potential money in it. No recognition on the streets for any of them except among the really knowledgeable. The Sy and Ty are unknowns. My Buick has the full on grandpa treatment, vinyl roof, all the chrome, hood ornament, factory non metallic slate grey paint. Sneaky fast.
CavScout
Member
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
Did I want a GN in High school? You damned skippy, would have killed to get one.
Came back from the Gulf war, and behold Don " The Snake" is promoting a Syclone at the GatorNationals. HOLY CRAP, A GN TRUCK?
Screw the "Boat", I want the S10.
Did I want a GN in High school? You damned skippy, would have killed to get one.
Came back from the Gulf war, and behold Don " The Snake" is promoting a Syclone at the GatorNationals. HOLY CRAP, A GN TRUCK?
Screw the "Boat", I want the S10.
Raist103
Engine Killer, iPhone Killer, Lawnmower Killer
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
true, and only 1 ty and 1 gn right now just to lazy to update sig. but i have had 8 or so buicks and only 6 syty sgt and most were to flip or junk.
true, and only 1 ty and 1 gn right now just to lazy to update sig. but i have had 8 or so buicks and only 6 syty sgt and most were to flip or junk.
blk00z28
Forced to by choice
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
Talking factory 3.8 blocks here.This car has a motor with a rare 3.8 truck block. Suppose to be as strong as a 109 block with a girdle. Which this block does not have a girdle, just good main caps, and internals. Full interior with AC. 400 trans. Car went 9.20's @ 148 with a 1.38 60' ft with nothing changed from this picture other then skinnies up front and dr's in the rear. Pulls the wheels about 3-4 feet in the air on a good track. Normally its about 2 feet.
The one I'm talking about was an unopened stock motor with a slightly larger then stock turbo, valve springs because the stockers were floating the stock valves and wouldn't go faster then a 11.2. Car went mid 10's. Shit, we just talked about it yesterday at his house and I forgot the details now lol.
Talking factory 3.8 blocks here.This car has a motor with a rare 3.8 truck block. Suppose to be as strong as a 109 block with a girdle. Which this block does not have a girdle, just good main caps, and internals. Full interior with AC. 400 trans. Car went 9.20's @ 148 with a 1.38 60' ft with nothing changed from this picture other then skinnies up front and dr's in the rear. Pulls the wheels about 3-4 feet in the air on a good track. Normally its about 2 feet.
GangBang Malloy
I need my Syclone :(
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
anyone here know why they call GN engines "109 blocks" instead of their LC2 RPO code?
anyone here know why they call GN engines "109 blocks" instead of their LC2 RPO code?
SYO237
SyTy Registry
Re: Grand Nationals vs the SyTy's....why is the value so different?
Boat ride, Check.
Floating feeling at speed. Check.
Able to put a stupid grin on your face when you do a burnout. Check.
Pimpin in a car that looks like grandma's ride and hanging with SyTys blazing down the street....CHECK.
I dont care about value. It's not the reason why I bought my truck. I like the unknown status and not being in the mix of 110,000 other owners. The trucks draw people over whenever we goto shows, and its pretty cool when you have people yelling at you from the side of the road "BADASS TRUCK!" and waving you to pull in and park so they can check out the truck up close. Some give props, some get an education.
Not to downplay GNs, they have their own cult following. What it comes down to is the GN was a well marketed vehicle in both advertising, sales, and aftermarket support versus our 3 years of production, shitty marketing and barely any aftermarket support. The GN is just a more popular vehicle and thats what generates value in the end.
Boat ride, Check.
Floating feeling at speed. Check.
Able to put a stupid grin on your face when you do a burnout. Check.
Pimpin in a car that looks like grandma's ride and hanging with SyTys blazing down the street....CHECK.
I dont care about value. It's not the reason why I bought my truck. I like the unknown status and not being in the mix of 110,000 other owners. The trucks draw people over whenever we goto shows, and its pretty cool when you have people yelling at you from the side of the road "BADASS TRUCK!" and waving you to pull in and park so they can check out the truck up close. Some give props, some get an education.
Not to downplay GNs, they have their own cult following. What it comes down to is the GN was a well marketed vehicle in both advertising, sales, and aftermarket support versus our 3 years of production, shitty marketing and barely any aftermarket support. The GN is just a more popular vehicle and thats what generates value in the end.