My Ty engine took a poo

BOBBY263052

New member
Bought the Ty on 5-3-07, engine let go on 5-15-07. Wow 12 days and about 300 miles! Should have stuck with the Fords I guess.lol Pretty sure it spun a rod bearing. Knocking like hell. Anyhow I'm not gonna cry about it like a little girl because I know that sh*t happens. I've read EVERY POST in the search about Jasper engines and want to know if any of you have personaly had a bad experience with a Jasper engine in your Sy or Ty? I DONT want to hear about your buddy or his dads experience with them. As of right now they seem like a reasonable solution to my problem because if I have it installed by one of there shops it will be under warranty for 3 years or 75,000 miles for parts and labor. I do not have the know how or any where near the tools required to pull and reinstall an engine. I could have a better engine than Jasper offers built but then it would be coverd for parts and not labor. Again, I dont have the ability to remove or install an engine. So what good would a warranty on parts alone do me? Anyone had good experiences with Jasper engines? Looking for feed back, even if negative but only from actual experiences not hear say please. :tup:

Thanks, Bobby
 

jjorgensen52

NHSTE - I'm the only one!
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

I haven't had any experience with Jasper engines, but a parts warranty isn't really going to do squat for you. Pretty much as soon as you run the engine, they can say that the parts worked fine and it was abused. Now, if they cover the assembly of the engine, so when the thing fails because they didn't torque the main caps properly or what have you, that's more useful to you.

I personally would not trust them to do it, these trucks are too hard on the motors for anything that isn't specifically built. Where are you located, I'm sure there are local members who can give you advice on where to go / what options you have
 

JSM

Active member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

BOBBY263052 said:
Bought the Ty on 5-3-07, engine let go on 5-15-07. Wow 12 days and about 300 miles! Should have stuck with the Fords I guess.lol Pretty sure it spun a rod bearing. Knocking like hell. Anyhow I'm not gonna cry about it like a little girl because I know that sh*t happens. I've read EVERY POST in the search about Jasper engines and want to know if any of you have personaly had a bad experience with a Jasper engine in your Sy or Ty? I DONT want to hear about your buddy or his dads experience with them. As of right now they seem like a reasonable solution to my problem because if I have it installed by one of there shops it will be under warranty for 3 years or 75,000 miles for parts and labor. I do not have the know how or any where near the tools required to pull and reinstall an engine. I could have a better engine than Jasper offers built but then it would be coverd for parts and not labor. Again, I dont have the ability to remove or install an engine. So what good would a warranty on parts alone do me? Anyone had good experiences with Jasper engines? Looking for feed back, even if negative but only from actual experiences not hear say please. :tup:

Thanks, Bobby

so what did your scantool show for knock and fuel before the engine blew?
 

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

Dont feel bad. I had mine a month and melted a piston. One year and $10,000 later it was running again. Made it 1000 miles and lost compression in one cylinder. :(
 

JSM

Active member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

BOBBY263052 said:
No scan tool yet, only had the Ty for 12 days.

Not to flame you and pick on you, but I have been around these trucks for almost 10 years now. Might just be the reason the engine is blown up.

Also, I would not touch a Jasper engine with 10ft pole.

Personally I think the canadian guys (Campbell Auto) has the most syty engine and dyno experience although other vendors on here can build good motors also. I just think they have the most experience on a dyno and know what works and doesn't.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

BOBBY263052 said:
No scan tool yet, only had the Ty for 12 days.

I know this doesn't do you much good now, but this is what I have written for new owners.

http://www.corvetteforum.net/c4/dgoodhue/syty_faq.html

Perhaps your engine damage was ready go out from the previous owner, but maybe someone else can learn from your situation. Especaillty for newbie, I truely mean that I would not go WOT in a SyTy until I saw a scan tool. Even as a owner I have been in trucks that pull good, but have dangerous levels of Knock Retard.
 

Jimmy

Banned
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

JS Manufacturing said:
Not to flame you and pick on you, but I have been around these trucks for almost 10 years now. Might just be the reason the engine is blown up.

Also, I would not touch a Jasper engine with 10ft pole.

Personally I think the canadian guys (Campbell Auto) has the most syty engine and dyno experience although other vendors on here can build good motors also. I just think they have the most experience on a dyno and know what works and doesn't.
X2 on them Canada guys. :eh:

As for jasper,I have no personal experience,but I do know that I wouldn't buy an engine for anything that was assembled by an $8/hr crackhead.
 

BOBBY263052

New member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

So all these people saying bad things about Jasper but my question still stands, ANY PERSONAL BAD EXPERIENCES with them? You all crack me up. You all knock them but do you have a reason to? I'm just hearing a bunch of I would'nt and you should'nt. WHY NOT? Please keep in mind that me removing or reinstalling this engine is not even an option. So if I get one that is built by Joe Blow hows it getting put in my Ty? Also, if I did get a Joe Blow engine and it did blow, whos taken it back out? Get my drift? I'm not a mechanic, nor do I have a mechanics set of tools. Jasper has been around a LONG time. They must be doing something right. Right? Dont get me wrong, I would rather have an engine from one of the vendors but I cant afford it or put it in. Just might have to sell this thing after it's running again. Cant handle such a frail little automobile. I have not even abused this truck AT ALL yet and it is already blown! Quick/rare or not, if you cant kick em around even a little with out a fully built to the gills motor....than I need something else.
 

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

I'd say unless you can do your own work, or afford to pay someone to do it. This isnt a truck to beat on. My first one was all stock and handled a good amount of beating for a few months, but soon after selling it that guy started having problems that he couldnt figure out.
I do this for a living but Im ready to get rid of mine because they are too much maintenance. Im thinking my bike is enough fun, maybe an LS1 car or my old V8 S10 blazer if I have the need to go fast in a car.
 

2kwik4u

Resident slow guy
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

Stock compression on a Sy/Ty is 8.35:1 i think....or somewhere very near there. I'll bet a bucket of donuts if you call Jasper they'll tell you the compression on thier motor is near 9.5:1 or so. Then I'll bet another bucket, that if you ask them for a Sy/Ty specific motor they'll ask you what the hell you're talking about.

People don't use Jasper engines in these trucks for a myriad of reasons.....since you're too lazy or don't want to believe all the posts, or the people that have been around for over a decade with these trucks.....I'll list some below.

1. Wrong compression ratio. Without a custom tune (which I don't think you're capable of since you won't listen to any help thats already been offered to you) you'll have serious detonation issues on stock timing with the higher comression. See #2 for why this is bad.
2. Weak internal parts (wrong rods/pistons). With tons of detonation that you'll have from the wrong compression ratio, you'll easily break the crappy L35 pistons/rods.
3. As Jimmy so eloquently put it, they are put together by $8/hr crackheads. Do you want your high performance motor put togethor by someone who only wants things "within spec" and not "TO spec"? I know I sure wouldn't
4. You can't put a motor in yourself. no biggie, lots of people can't....If you get a Jasper engine who the hell is putting it in for you? You going to drive the truck to Jasper, IN to have it done? If not then you are getting the same situation from a KNOWN GOOD vendor. I promise you'll get better customer support from one of our vendors than you will from Jasper. If something goes wrong with the motor you'll still have to get it pulled, and sent back. No two ways about that. If you get a Jasper engine I PROMISE, they won't cover it under warranty when they open it up and find holes in the pistons, or rods bent in 1/2 (see #1, and #2 for why it'll end up this way).
5. Those of us that have been around for awhile know better.

You know, in the end it's you're cash. You can listen to the people who know what the hell we're talking about, or you can do what you want and get the Jasper engine......Just be sure to post pictuers of how that works out for you. And next time you ask for help, don't get bent out of shape when you don't get the answer you wanted to hear.

*edit*

Just re-read your post. Seems I missed a few points.

If you can't afford a "race" build from one of the vendors, find a local machine shop, and tell them EXACTLY what you want. You can find used pistons and rods on here all the time. Have the block rebuilt to stock specs. Might save you some cash in hard parts, but the labor/machine work is gonna be there regardless. I promise even a rebuilt stock block is leaps and bounds better than anything you'll get from Jasper.

As to the comment about them being frail. They aren't frail, they are finicky, and easy to abuse. It's a turbocharged AWD pickup truck thats 15 years old. You can beat on it, but you need to understand it's a 2 or 3:1 ratio between time spent beating, and time spent maintaining. I think that will hold true with just about anything in this price/performance range. Cheap/Fast/Reliable....pick two. $15k for a pristine truck that runs low 13's stock is cheap and fast......guess which it isn't.
 

jwaller

Evil Genius/SyTy Guru
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

jasper doesnt build the right engine for these trucks. simple as that. if you want a motor that is going to take a dump in short order then by all means buy one. pay to have it installed and removed about 6 times before they tell you they will no longer honor their warrenty bc you have mistreated ot abused it. then you are in a much worse place than you are now.

maybe you want to consider sending it to a place that works on syty's and can fix it correctly for you.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

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Good Luck
 

BOBBY263052

New member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

2kwik4u, Im the furthest thing you could ever find from lazy. PERIOD. Did you blow up a Jasper motor? Bet not! You guys are kind of taking me wrong. My mind is far from made up, but im checking my options. Would'nt you? Sorry that I dont know what you all do about these frail/finicky little trucks. I just got mine and was trying to learn....12 days worth of learning and the piece blew. Oh boy! Also, 2kwik4u, Im not getting bent out of shape. Read my post for a third time, maybe you'll catch the part where I said "actual experiences not hear say please." Have any of you that have responded had an actual experience with Jasper engines???????????? I'm getting no answers for what I actually asked.
 

JSM

Active member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

Keep in mind most of us have no finiacial gains for advising you on which engine to use or not use.

My net worth will not change if you use or don't use a Jasper engine. There have been trucks and owners in the past that have come to this board and bought a truck with, or used a Jasper engine and not had much luck.

Ask them what pistons are used, if the main caps will be correct for a syty and not the standard caps used, ask them what the compression ratio is.

I would say 30% or more of the board now has dealt with rebuilt syty engines in some form. I have dealt with several myself. I know what parts work and don't work, and I would not advise of a Jasper engine.
 

BOBBY263052

New member
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

I just got off the phone with jasper. Asked what the compression ratio would be on there Typhoon engine. Now Im waiting for a call back for the answer. I will post exactly what they tell me as soon as they call. Should be 8.35:1 correct? Lets wait and see what they say.
 

12secondSY

Syty Killer :(
Re: My Ty engine took a poo

Just out of curiosity, how much is a jasper engine? It seems to me that rebuilding an engine back to stock is almost always cheaper than a short block.
 
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