Silver Corvette Z06 vs. Syclone

[TurboRob]

Is the Z06 really that much faster than the standard C5 in a street race? I know the specs are better, but does that translate into a few lengths over a standard model?

I'm just wondering, because I've beaten a couple C5s on the street in the Syclone at only 15-16psi, so it seems the Syclone would be at least somewhat competitive. I've never run a Z06 though and don't really look forward to it.

On a non-SyTy note, I sort of ran a new Mustang GT in the wagon last night and lost. He was in front of me, so I couldn't take advantage of a lauch or anything, I just had to wait for him to punch it from a 15mph roll and then try to keep up with him.

At least he only put about 2 car lengths on me from 15mph to about 80mph. I probably would have had him off the line side-by-side, but the roll-on killed me. Of course I did have the wife in the car and a load of cabinets & stuff from Home Depot in the back...

I've gotta start driving the Sy more!

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[hamrhead]

My bud had a '98 C5 6speed which he sold and replaced with an '01 ZO6. I could definitely feel the difference as far as acceleration goes. Damn ZO6 pulls each gear so fast!! I want one!!

 

[dave fisher]

yes its a huge difference.. at the proving grounds, and elswhere tested, slicks were added to a stock 405hp Z06. time slips of 11.98 0-60 of 4.0 and 3.9 were recorded.

of course with these times, gee i wonder who was behind the wheel?

yes you can feel the difference, in fact the 02 Z06's and 01's differ alot.

the 02's wheels are 4lbs lighter than the 01's. the used a spin cast method and shaved 4lbs off the wheels. second is a stiffer front stablizer. increased 1/4 diameter. also the dual catalytic converters are swaped out for singles, and the air restricters are gone. so when someone says they have '02 Z06... they really do have the fastest Vette ever made.

 

[buickman69]

Yeap,U don't won't any part of one.At least from a roll.

 

[Performin Norman]

I am really impressed with my 02. I use it as a daily driver. It pulls EVERYWHERE in the RPM range all the way up to 6600 RPM. I have only driven a couple of standard C5s and it wasn't close enough in time for me to give you a comparison but I can tell you that the Zs are strong. I have a grin from ear to ear everytime I drive it. It doesn't pull as hard as the Viper but with a good driver in the Z and a mediocre one in the Viper, I think the Z might win.


If you guys have any specific questions on how they run, let me know. I am more than happy to answer any questions.

What I mean to say is, if you want the inside scoop, you have an inside man. hahaha

BTW, I love my Syclone!!!!!


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[Z-06&syclonefan]

a z-06 would light up a syclone in all 5 gears anyone who knows anything about the car knows it doesnt have the power to exceed 6th gear and it is just an overdrive gear. But the syclone is an amazing truck. but the z-06 pulls 1 g of the line and that is incredible. it will hit 0-60 in 4 seconds flat

 

[Tooky]

Sorry guys I am going to have to say my experiences dont jive AT ALL with this. 0-60 in 4.0? Give me a break. Maybe with slicks on a VHT prepped drag strip!! I raced a silver 01 Z06 and blew his DOORS off until 80 when he flew past me. My Sy is stock and so was his Z06 and we both had a passenger. The Syclone does 0-60 reputedly in 4.6, there was just NO WAY he was going to beat me to 60 by 6 tenths, on the street. When you guys talk about all these figures, are you talking on the street as delivered from the showroom or are you talking dragstrip with professional driver and all systems prepped to the max? I just fail to see how a RWD street car with street tires can accomplish 0-60 in 4.0.

If the Z06 pulls 1G off the line, he should have been DEAD EVEN with me and PULLING before I finished 1st gear.

Now I don't know anything about the 02s, I haven't had any experience with them. Maybe the driver I raced was a complete amateur. Maybe not (he led me to the back alley street strip.. not the other way around). These are just my opinions based off what I seen.. I do think the Z06 are KILLER on top end though.

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[Performin Norman]

Driver input is a huge factor in driving any high performance rear wheel drive vehicle. That is where the Syclone shines. Doesn't take a brain to launch my Syclone. Its very consistent. Now, the Z is something else. I can smoke the tires just about all day long but if I want to hook up, that is a different story. Street racing adds a totally different element. Road debris. If the road is nothing but perfect, any rear wheel drive car on street tires will have a problem. I have always thought that the Syclone was a perfect street racer but did not shine on the track. Just the opposite for a Z06 on slicks. Since I rarely ever race, street or strip, I look at most cars potential, in other words, if a Z will run out the 1/4 mile in 115 mph but only run a 12.8, I know what it would do on slicks mainly by the trap speed.

If you race one and beat one, more power to you, that is great. If you don't, live with it. There are always faster cars out there. That is what racing is all about. Just have fun doing it and be safe.

 

[warmpancakes]

I raced a z06 about 6-7 months ago on the street he was on drag radials and we were side by side until he hit the bottle and walked away, Gotta respect a man who will bottle a 50k car Ken

 

[SY732]

On 2002-02-14 22:50, Z-06&syclonefan wrote:
a z-06 would light up a syclone in all 5 gears anyone who knows anything about the car knows it doesnt have the power to exceed 6th gear and it is just an overdrive gear. But the syclone is an amazing truck. but the z-06 pulls 1 g of the line and that is incredible. it will hit 0-60 in 4 seconds flat

If memory serves a good running SY pulls 1.6G's off the line, I think it may have somthing to do with 300 instant lb feet of tourqe.

And I think the 3.06 first gear helps some too

Kris

 

[dave fisher]

you guys NEED to remember.. the newer 405 '02 Z06's will have "405hp" where the silver Z06 badge is on the upper fenders.. if it doesnt say 405 then its the 385hp and yes your syclones "might" take it.

with any manual tranny the driver is the prime factor. if you want #'s from a factory, all street, right out of the box '02 Z06, Car & Driver had it on its show the other day. 1/4 time was 12.7 @ 115, 0-60 was 4.1 street tires, Goodyear's. either way the Z will kick a stock syclones ass in the 1/4mile

remember.. if you change 1 single thing on your truck, caps, wires, thermo, tires, anything at all.. your truck is not stock and it not qualified to say so. granted they dont make all the difference.. but they can change the parameters alot, especially the stock tires and wheels of a sy, and the thermo's. sy's were rated in C&D at 4.7 and a 1/4 of 13.6 so compare all you want.. you'll still see its tail lights.

 

[turboj91]

O.K. guys, lets not get too hot and bothered by a Z06. Lets look at some quick & simple facts. Our SY's are model year 1991 with no further production and no further advancement in "technology" from its producer. This is 2002. The Vette has evolved since '91 and technology has made great advancements. There is written literature about the '02 Z06 that gets quite specific about its engine changes (i.e. high lift cam shaft (high enough to require a base circle change to allow the lobes to fit thru the cam journals), lightened exhaust valves Ect... the list of things on the entire car is quite impressive (including a thinner windshield to save weight). The car should be quick. Now, if we applied some technology advancements to our vehicles (many choices here), we should have no problems with the Z06. I know alot of guys will say if any changes are made, the veh. is not stock. That's true, but demands have forced auto makers to advance thechnology to provide better performance (along with better fuel milage and lower emissions). We can't sit back and think that our 11 year old trucks will always be the fastest factory vehicle and nothing will ever touch it. Keep up with the times, make some modifications, apply some technology, make it breath (and get some mid and upper range speed) and enjoy!!!!! G.M. claims the Z06 is the best Vette ever produced (in all areas). They did not sit back and take the "do nothing" approach. Lastly, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't Chevrolet screaming at the GM "big shots" to shut down the Sy, since the unwritten rule was that the Vette was the "flagship" of Gm and you can't have a pickup quicker than a Vette. It's time for payback. Make the mod's, put some good fuel in it and don't blow it up (detonation kills a weak bottom end).

 

[Pittman]

OK Z06 fans, Yeah its a nice car that is true but the fact remains, that I saw four at the Texasmotorplex two days ago one was even on the bottle and the fastest time i saw was 12.2 that was on a track that was so sticky it would literaly pull your shoes off. SO in other words that 12.2 at the track would probably equal a 12.9 on the street....hardly a problem for a lightly moded sy. As for old technology yeah the little sy is that for sure, but dont take that too lightly we had a viper at the track this weekend with almost 40k in work and only beat a GN by mere tenth at 11.54@123mph.

 

[hamrhead]

Last time I was at the track I talked to a guy who just bought his New, Stock, Blue (Nice color!!) '02 ZO6 and ran it. He was turning 12.3's at 116mph.

 

[turboj91]

Not wanting to sound like I'm boasting about a Z06, but not every driver is a Ronny Sox, Warren Johnson or Bob Glidden. Track times will always depend on driver capabilities - especially with a stick car.

 

[Tooky]

Did you see what the issue of Road & Track on the stands now, rated the 405HP 2002 ZO6? 13.1 @ 111 MPH! 0-60 in 4.7. I'm sure that will get a few folks going but it does make me happy as a Syclone owner :smile: I have to admit though, those times do sound awfully slow... Perhaps track conditions weren't the best.

 

[Performin Norman]

I saw that also. Kinda strange to see such a wide range of numbers. I have seen 12.4 at 117 mph clear up to the ones you state above. Even with severe weather differences, I don't see how there could be that much difference. I think the magazine's numbers directly relate to how much the company paid in advertising to the magazine. LOL

 

[turboj91]

Hey Norm, (or anyone else with the info)with no disrespect, can you tell me why everyone claims the sy's "run out of steam" so quick. Is it cylinder head design (I was told they have the same head as the anniversary T/A????), exhaust restriction, camshaft???. Excuse my ignorance but I have not done my research on the full history of the truck yet (but I'm getting there-need to stop working so much. Thanks for your time!

 

[Performin Norman]

I think mainly folks say that because of the lower trap speed produced when running the 1/4 mile. My remaining Syclone ran a 13.5 at 98 MPH. The trap speed is not nearly as high as most rear wheel drive cars running the same ET. Some of this is due to the breadbox aerodynamics of the trucks and some is due to the parasitic loss associated with the AWD. Typically a car running a 13.5 1/4 would trap out at about 105 to 106 MPH give or take. This means that they are pulling harder at the top end. Of course the SyTys biggest advantage being the outstanding short time capability with its AWD.

There are other factors also but those are the ones I think of when I hear people say that.

FYI: The stock turbo flows about 550cfm at it's rated manifold pressure of 14 psi.

 

[turboj91]

Thanks for the info. I've read many messages about how they got "walked on" when going from a roll (sounded like a slow roll at that). Haven't put alot of milage on mine since purchased and it has minimal mods (a chip & air cleaner) and while still in first gear and rolling or even at low rpm in second, it pulls hard and it makes me curious why so many are advising of a lack of performance from a roll (again i'm not interpeting their comments as a 35+ mph roll). I agree, aero wise, it's a brick, but I've dragged many a brick including a 63 chrysler 300F (it was in the 9's) and I hadn't experienced a great negative aero factor previously. I'm sure the AWD factors considerably but it seems there might not be enough upper end steam. I had 2 cars (a 66 chevelle & 67 camaro both run 13.0 @ 105 back in the early 80's so your time/mph factoring is pretty much right on the money. I'm sure as I dig into this further (cyl. head cfm, cam profile ect... i'll figure out some of my curiosity). Thanks again for your time and any additional comments are welcomed. P.S. That 300f was over 5000 lbs and street driven