Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Pariah

Pariah!
Things have been TOO QUIET...
and I would've started some fireworks long before now just on general principle!

But alas, chronic unemployment has a way of choking-off exuberances at all levels of existence. And just when one thinks things couldn't get any worse, it does: Friday night, I'm off to my weekly nocturnal rendezvous-- the only regular driving I do anymore-- and as I pull out of the driveway and get down the dark drizzly residential street, I notice an ominous BOUNCY, buckboard-type ride that gets my attention real quick. My head is soon bouncing off the roof of the cab as I attempt to jet outta the 'hood at my normal 30mph, so I had to cut speed dramatically to remain conscious... damned washboard roads!

When I got to my destination, I did a quick inspection and immediately saw the problem: The BED OF THE SYCLONE HAD DROPPED TO THE GOUND, and the tires were just a quarter-inch away from the cladding!! Right away, I'm thinking busted bed-supports or some other mystical hole-in-the-floor unlikelihood as I drove back home and made plans to get under the vehicle the next day. The very last thing I ever expected to find was COLLAPSED LEAF-SPRINGS because 10 years ago I had invested in what was surely to have been an ultimate performance upgrade:

Flex-A-Form Composite-Fiberglass Single-Leaf Springs.

However, when I got underneath the Truck the next day that's exactly what it was! BOTH springs internally split... delaminated... in exactly the same spot! AND FOR NO REASON! No high speed travel... no pot-holes... no speed-bumps... no wrecks... no "bat-turns"... NO NOTHING to cause something this dramatic! Once again, virtue (i.e., sober, adult driving habits) is its own reward....

Admittedly, I had installed a set of Roadmaster Active Suspension springs over the top of each rear section (minimally stretched) of each Flex-a-Form spring back in 2000 and drove 'em that way all the way down from Maryland and around Texas for most of the Decade from Hell until July '08, when I finally removed those irritating lowering-blocks. (I did the same thing to ol' Radar-Blue in 2004, just in time to get it up on jackstands, where it remains to date!) The Tail was nicely pointed northward, but for the first few miles, the ride was incredibly BOUNCY as the Bilsteins self-adjusted to their longer strokes. I actually thought that was happening again over the weekend, but even no shocks would not account for that sort of squat. The ride has never been better all this time.

So, how do both leaf-springs fail simultaneously in precisely the same spot for NO discernible cause!?!? Are these merely 10-year Springs and that's the bottom line? You'd think George Smolen at Flex-A-Form would be proud enough of his product to spring (pun intended) to the assistance of a loyal customer with copious sympathy, explanations, and suggestions. You'd expect at least responsiveness comparable with what he showed when I contacted him about purchasing a second set of those composite-wonders. But No-o-o-o-o-o! Ol' George either died or sold the business to some Young Turk who's got all the corporate web-mailing blocked and never answers the phones, as I found out yesterday when I left one of my typically colorful messages. I even filled out a fake order-form with my Inquiry embedded in the remarks box. No dice!

In short, I've got NO ANSWERS TO MY EMERGENCY from Flex-A-Form to date and, although South Carolina may well be snowed-in as DC was or that factory's on a seasonal shutdown, I have a real bad feeling that I'm just never gonna get any satisfaction or even any explanation regarding this clearly DEFECTIVE PRODUCT and piss-poor customer service. Meanwhile, I am hereby counseling all "youse" in the SyTy Community to STEER CLEAR OF FLEX-A-FORM AND ITS HIGH-TECH STUFF! Pull 'em off your recommendation or affiliate webpages and spread the word!! If you think it's just me... karma or whatever... get a load of what I just found; I'm not the only one to have gotten BIT by the high-tech bug:

http://www.syty.net/forums/showthread.php?p=749556#post749556.


I'll guess I'll be adding my own pictures shortly, but don't expect anything as dramatic as those postings. My delaminations are quite clean and nonobvious, but I guess I'd better stop driving around as I did Saturday night.... Materials fatigue is a funny science. Maybe I should have left those Roadmasters on. But, their supplementation occurred at the rear segment of the spring; mine split in the forward segment just ahead of the springpad. Maybe it's time for a class-action...?

But, more importantly...
NOW, who has an old set of stock or equivalent metal leaf-springs lying around that are just taking up space... and which (s)he could sell me cheap? I need to get rolling ASAP.
 

Daron

Active member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Hi Dennis...

I replaced my flex a forms with bel tech steel springs. Good luck getting George to warranty those springs...
 
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Could you repost the original post in black? Yellow is hard to read on the mobile theme. Thanks.
 

cloneman315

Active member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

your upset becaue they broke after 10 years?I would be very happy!And I think George is dead....
 

gkrcr882

SyTyless......for now!
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Oww, my eyeballs :crazyeye:

Seems as though flex-a-form failures have been fairly common, with people walking out to their truck one day only to see it tilted or dropped for no apparent reason. There was a discussion on this as to where the perceived stress points were on the springs, not sure if there was any for sure cause of failure cited. Good luck with the situation, I haven't seen fiberglass springs break on a Sy yet, probably due to the lower amount of weight in the back.
 

eviltwin

"junkyard syclone"
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

I need to pull the flex-a-forms out of my Ty. Stories like this scare me
 

Pariah

Pariah!
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Don't get scared!

Get MAD... and then EVEN!!

How many sets of those screwball springs could Flex-a-Form have sold us if any of us had been warned not to expect any more than 4 years on the road... or 4 minutes on a dyno!?!?!?
 

MikeRenz

not stock
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

did the truck sit for long periods of time? I have my suspicions that the springs sitting loaded for long periods of time and then put under strains is going to fail than a daily-used set.
 

turbodig

Active member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

did the truck sit for long periods of time? I have my suspicions that the springs sitting loaded for long periods of time and then put under strains is going to fail than a daily-used set.

Even so.... sheesh. The failure rate of these seems really high. Weaken after sitting I can understand, but failure... not so much.

GM used them on several production vehicles, so there's gotta be a way to make them work.
 

Pariah

Pariah!
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Hey!

What happened to that macro "Omnibus Retort" I worked up for a half-hour and then posted!?!? I answered 4 questions with that one page!

Already I don't like this 'Site....
 

Maxtor

New member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

My set lasted from 1999-2009 and saw a lot of sitting, plus plenty of hard launches. I pulled them last fall because of some slight delamination on one side of the driver's spring and didn't want to take any chances. I was satisfied with the first set lasting as long as they did so I went with a replacement set with the same spring rate.

For those that have failed; have they been used in conjunction with lowering blocks? Were they used with Cal-Tracs or similar traction bars? I am wondering if the use of blocks or the absence of traction bars is limiting the life of the spring.... definitely not acceptable I agree.

FWIW - Steel springs typically won't break but they will lose their rebound characteristics. I wouldn't expect to get any more than 10 years of useful life out of a set of steel springs without replacing them.
 

Daron

Active member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Even so.... sheesh. The failure rate of these seems really high. Weaken after sitting I can understand, but failure... not so much.

GM used them on several production vehicles, so there's gotta be a way to make them work.

Its too bad they fail, they rode wonderful. I am so very glad mine failed in the garage vice at speed on the highway.
 

Daron

Active member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

My set lasted from 1999-2009 and saw a lot of sitting, plus plenty of hard launches. I pulled them last fall because of some slight delamination on one side of the driver's spring and didn't want to take any chances. I was satisfied with the first set lasting as long as they did so I went with a replacement set with the same spring rate.

For those that have failed; have they been used in conjunction with lowering blocks? Were they used with Cal-Tracs or similar traction bars? I am wondering if the use of blocks or the absence of traction bars is limiting the life of the spring.... definitely not acceptable I agree.

FWIW - Steel springs typically won't break but they will lose their rebound characteristics. I wouldn't expect to get any more than 10 years of useful life out of a set of steel springs without replacing them.

I didnt use any blocks or cal-tracs. The only thing I did was tighten down the ubolts pretty damn tight.
 

Daron

Active member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Not sure why your crap is disappearing Dennis. Never saw your omnibus deal but your bitch about it not being here made it, and is now gone. You deleting?
 

Pariah

Pariah!
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Hey!

What happened to that macro "Omnibus Retort" I worked up for a half-hour and then posted!?!? I answered 4 questions with that one page!

Already I don't like this 'Site....
Before I try re-composing that gem under the forthcoming "Omnibus Retort II," HOW DO I GO ABOUT POSTING A PLEA FOR USED SPRINGS!?!?
 

REVEREND HARMON

Party in a box!
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

Before I try re-composing that gem under the forthcoming "Omnibus Retort II," HOW DO I GO ABOUT POSTING A PLEA FOR USED SPRINGS!?!?

Read the user forum rules to start with. Then when you comply, you can post a wanted ad in items wanted section.

I figured somebody of your wide vocabulary would have figured it out. :roll:

Just bustin yer lamb chops :tup:
 

Maxtor

New member
Re: Singin' the Flex-a-Form Blues

I didnt use any blocks or cal-tracs. The only thing I did was tighten down the ubolts pretty damn tight.

I'm wondering, Daron, if these springs need the traction bars to distribute the torque to prevent them from internally fracturing? Not too many people have tortured their springs as much as I have and mine didn't have any internal fractures, but I also use traction bars. Mine also don't see "normal" driving conditions since the truck is only out on precipitation free days. I would think, though, that the traction bars are probably the key.
 
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