What will it take to put the Ty in the 10's?
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typhoon4ever
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92 black ty.. do you have a pic of your engine bay or can you post one? your combo sounds pretty cool 
ghettosled
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your gonna need a built motor, a bigger turbo (I would suggest a 72), aftermarket ecu, and 50-64# injectors.
your pretty far off, unless you have stock in KB.
your pretty far off, unless you have stock in KB.
Silly
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First of all you do need a built motor. Second you do not NEED a 72 it is overkill and way to damn expensive. You will also need larger injectors than he says cuz 50's are no way close to being big enough. Also I don't belive you NEED vortec's either. A set of L35's ported well should be good enough.
Every SyTy owner belive there is only one way to get to 10's and you have to do this and that to get there. So noone ever tries anythign different. Could that be why after 10 years of syty existance we only have a select few running tens?
Every SyTy owner belive there is only one way to get to 10's and you have to do this and that to get there. So noone ever tries anythign different. Could that be why after 10 years of syty existance we only have a select few running tens?
Daron
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In response to your last statement (formed as a question) Id opine that too many folks were trying to re-invent the wheel and not following a tried and true method, as the reason there are so few with actual 10 sec timeslips. Now that some credible folks have shown the way to the 9's, we'd be silly to ignore what works...
First of all you do need a built motor. Second you do not NEED a 72 it is overkill and way to damn expensive. You will also need larger injectors than he says cuz 50's are no way close to being big enough. Also I don't belive you NEED vortec's either. A set of L35's ported well should be good enough.
Every SyTy owner belive there is only one way to get to 10's and you have to do this and that to get there. So noone ever tries anythign different. Could that be why after 10 years of syty existance we only have a select few running tens?
Where do I begin with this post...I guess all of your knowledge is based on experience.
Some questions for you.
What is the fastest you've seen an L35 headed motor run? I've not seen one in the 11s. I've seen stock motor trucks in the 11s. My truck ran 12.1s with stock ported heads, knocking the whole way down. Torrey is gonna run some killer times on his stock heads, course they have HUGE cash invested in them. Worthwhile?? Not financially.
A 72 is overkill eh? So you have done 10s in a Ty with less huh? I believe it could be done with less, but I don't think the 72 is OVERKILL. 72 - how much more expensive is it than a 54 or 63?? $100?? BFD
So you want to fool this guy into believing that YOU ARE CONVINCED that a truck with L35s, 63 series turbo, will hit 10s in a Ty...? Even though no one has come even CLOSE to doing so with that buildup?
What trucks have come close? Several Syclones in the 10s, or at the border, several Typhoons at LOW 11s. Common themes - Vortec heads - large turbos (63-72) - Speedpro/FAST - 55# injectors or bigger (75-83# is best bet). I don't think that it's impossible or L35 heads to hit 10s, or smaller turbos to hit 10s.. but don't tell him that they will for sure, especially when you pretty much have no clue what it takes to make a truck run.
It's great to hear uneducated posts... encourage people to waste money reinventing the wheel based on your mindless notions, rather than what's been proven. Heck, entertain us, can you give us some advice on camshaft selection?
Get back to spending your parents' money on your naws motor...
Every SyTy owner belive there is only one way to get to 10's and you have to do this and that to get there. So noone ever tries anythign different. Could that be why after 10 years of syty existance we only have a select few running tens?
Where do I begin with this post...I guess all of your knowledge is based on experience.
Some questions for you.
What is the fastest you've seen an L35 headed motor run? I've not seen one in the 11s. I've seen stock motor trucks in the 11s. My truck ran 12.1s with stock ported heads, knocking the whole way down. Torrey is gonna run some killer times on his stock heads, course they have HUGE cash invested in them. Worthwhile?? Not financially.
A 72 is overkill eh? So you have done 10s in a Ty with less huh? I believe it could be done with less, but I don't think the 72 is OVERKILL. 72 - how much more expensive is it than a 54 or 63?? $100?? BFD
So you want to fool this guy into believing that YOU ARE CONVINCED that a truck with L35s, 63 series turbo, will hit 10s in a Ty...? Even though no one has come even CLOSE to doing so with that buildup?
What trucks have come close? Several Syclones in the 10s, or at the border, several Typhoons at LOW 11s. Common themes - Vortec heads - large turbos (63-72) - Speedpro/FAST - 55# injectors or bigger (75-83# is best bet). I don't think that it's impossible or L35 heads to hit 10s, or smaller turbos to hit 10s.. but don't tell him that they will for sure, especially when you pretty much have no clue what it takes to make a truck run.
It's great to hear uneducated posts... encourage people to waste money reinventing the wheel based on your mindless notions, rather than what's been proven. Heck, entertain us, can you give us some advice on camshaft selection?
Get back to spending your parents' money on your naws motor...
typhoon1588
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Damn Josh, sounds like you've got nitrous in your blood and a gas tank for a brain...
you guy's say not to reinvent the wheel but why would everybody want the same set up????? if your do'in 10's one way and i can do it another way for whatever reasons($$$, parts choice or whatever) that's what makes it fu and learning!!!
if all you want to do is get a certain time and are willing to let someone else decide your way then i totally agree..
if all you want to do is get a certain time and are willing to let someone else decide your way then i totally agree..
you guy's say not to reinvent the wheel but why would everybody want the same set up?
Because they work. Go to a Buick board and tell them that you are going to run 10s on your stock motor with a TE44. Everyone will post and tell you "no you won't, no you can't, a hundred guys have tried before you and blown up, here's what you do need to do 10s.....".
You're missing the point. It's not an ego competition, it's people that have been there and done that telling you what works, trying to save you money.
There have been many trucks that have tried weird combinations. SO many get nowhere. Doing what KB told 'em, doing what the local speedshop told 'em.
You want to be creative, that's fine, do your best building the truck & tuning, but be prepared to fail, and spend lots of money trying to break new ground.
Don't go telling someone 'this combo SHOULD run 10s...' when they are asking how can they get into the 10s. We can sit here and guess all day long. You want facts? Stick to real world data & results. I've posted what people have done to run 10s in a Sy dozens of times, trying to parallel that for a Ty. STock block & crank will do, 4 bolt mains, Eagle rods, TRW pistons (JE are nice), a good cam with .500-.525", Vortec heads worked up, FAST system, 75# injectors, headers, upgrade IC of some sort, 63-72 sized turbo, a tight trans with stall converter, and some tires that can get you 1.6 60' times.
If you wanna hypothesize, go for it, I'll even guess you could run 10s on a stock computer. No one's done it, but that doesn't say that someone can't. Stock motor & turbo run in the 10s? Sure, truck has to weigh about 2000lbs though, so go build a carbon fiber frame and go on a diet.
Because they work. Go to a Buick board and tell them that you are going to run 10s on your stock motor with a TE44. Everyone will post and tell you "no you won't, no you can't, a hundred guys have tried before you and blown up, here's what you do need to do 10s.....".
You're missing the point. It's not an ego competition, it's people that have been there and done that telling you what works, trying to save you money.
There have been many trucks that have tried weird combinations. SO many get nowhere. Doing what KB told 'em, doing what the local speedshop told 'em.
You want to be creative, that's fine, do your best building the truck & tuning, but be prepared to fail, and spend lots of money trying to break new ground.
Don't go telling someone 'this combo SHOULD run 10s...' when they are asking how can they get into the 10s. We can sit here and guess all day long. You want facts? Stick to real world data & results. I've posted what people have done to run 10s in a Sy dozens of times, trying to parallel that for a Ty. STock block & crank will do, 4 bolt mains, Eagle rods, TRW pistons (JE are nice), a good cam with .500-.525", Vortec heads worked up, FAST system, 75# injectors, headers, upgrade IC of some sort, 63-72 sized turbo, a tight trans with stall converter, and some tires that can get you 1.6 60' times.
If you wanna hypothesize, go for it, I'll even guess you could run 10s on a stock computer. No one's done it, but that doesn't say that someone can't. Stock motor & turbo run in the 10s? Sure, truck has to weigh about 2000lbs though, so go build a carbon fiber frame and go on a diet.
Silly
Banned
Mr. Green you think you know so much but you really don't.
name a typhoon running 11's with l35's? Darrin does and that is right here in your own state of illinois. he was running high 11's lasttime i checked on l35's.
people also say that typhoon's can't run 11's with the stock internals but that has been proven wrong by a few people now hasn't that?
Bg, what did you sy run when it was al built? 11.0 or sumtin right? Mr know it all you had the combo's that everyone else wa using to run 10's but for some reason you couldnt do it now could you?
then you think that you know everything about me and my truck? you don'pt know JACKSHIT. First of all everything that I buy for my truck is with my own money that I work for everyday. i may have gotten something from the p's for xmas or birthday's or whatever but 99.9% of the mods have come from my bank account. Second who says anything about a nitrous motor? You do not have your facts straight. And if you think you are still right I can prove you wrong once we make a small wager on this?
maybe you are just upset that as much as you hate me and think that my truck will never amount to anything I am going to be able to do sumtin you were NEVER able to do and that is run 10's.
name a typhoon running 11's with l35's? Darrin does and that is right here in your own state of illinois. he was running high 11's lasttime i checked on l35's.
people also say that typhoon's can't run 11's with the stock internals but that has been proven wrong by a few people now hasn't that?
Bg, what did you sy run when it was al built? 11.0 or sumtin right? Mr know it all you had the combo's that everyone else wa using to run 10's but for some reason you couldnt do it now could you?
then you think that you know everything about me and my truck? you don'pt know JACKSHIT. First of all everything that I buy for my truck is with my own money that I work for everyday. i may have gotten something from the p's for xmas or birthday's or whatever but 99.9% of the mods have come from my bank account. Second who says anything about a nitrous motor? You do not have your facts straight. And if you think you are still right I can prove you wrong once we make a small wager on this?
maybe you are just upset that as much as you hate me and think that my truck will never amount to anything I am going to be able to do sumtin you were NEVER able to do and that is run 10's.
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LMFAO. hehehe
ghettosled
SYTY SUPERSTORE
Marlboro typhoon. What type of crap are you smoking? When you actually build a truck that runs good, or help build a truck that puts down the numbers maybe you can talk. I dont know about anyone else out there, but 11.0 on pump gas is quite respectable in my books.
I'm sure it is possible to go 10s on alot less, but why not run a turbo where its peak efficiency and boost levels will net the horsepower needed to run the number. A 72 fits the bill pretty well. As for 50#s being way too small. Tell that to Guy L since he has actually made a 10 sec pass with 50# injectors and had room to go faster.
Silly
Banned
Your right mike I have never put up any numbers at all. I guess my 11 second typhoon with stock pistons, rods, heads, headers, and cam is crap right? I never said that his 11.0 wasn't respected in my eyes because it is that is one hell of a run. I just wanted to make it clear that everyone things he knows all his shit and this and that but he couldnt do it and couldnt even keep the truck running.
I did not know that Guy Lavy ran 10's with the 50's. he was using accel dfi and not speedpro right? Also what turbo is and was he using? I am pretty sure it wasn't somthing as big as a 72 s teh 50's don't supply enough fuel to support a 72
As far as the 60's series vs the 72 turbo goes here is where I am coming from with this
What is the effiency range of a T66 turbo as opposed to the t72? You would need a stall through the roof to be able to make a complete pass being in the effiency rang of a 72 and a pretty damn big cam. with the 66 you won't need as much. Yes I know you still need quit a bit but not as much. You look at all the fast cars out there that are able to run 10's and 9's on not that much hp. why you ask? look at the dyno charts. what is their torque curve's doing? they aren't steadyly climbing as your rpm's go up which they would pretty much be doing with a 72 as you get into its effiency rang they are flat across you are making mad torque throught you WHOLE pass. Now I am sure with a 72 you will see bigger numbers hp and trq wise but for how long are you actually making that much power? With a smaller turbo you can make less hp and torque but stay in your peak rang for alot longer than you would beable to with a 72 and that is where you get the best et.
Last thing and then I am done:
I am not here to start or to cause trouble as you see I hardly even post anymore I just don't agree with the fact that people have to go out and spend 10's and 20 thousand dollars to get these truck running 10's thata is all
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Mike Woznicki
1993 Marlboro Typhoon
Proud Customer of Rockford Racecraft
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I did not know that Guy Lavy ran 10's with the 50's. he was using accel dfi and not speedpro right? Also what turbo is and was he using? I am pretty sure it wasn't somthing as big as a 72 s teh 50's don't supply enough fuel to support a 72
As far as the 60's series vs the 72 turbo goes here is where I am coming from with this
What is the effiency range of a T66 turbo as opposed to the t72? You would need a stall through the roof to be able to make a complete pass being in the effiency rang of a 72 and a pretty damn big cam. with the 66 you won't need as much. Yes I know you still need quit a bit but not as much. You look at all the fast cars out there that are able to run 10's and 9's on not that much hp. why you ask? look at the dyno charts. what is their torque curve's doing? they aren't steadyly climbing as your rpm's go up which they would pretty much be doing with a 72 as you get into its effiency rang they are flat across you are making mad torque throught you WHOLE pass. Now I am sure with a 72 you will see bigger numbers hp and trq wise but for how long are you actually making that much power? With a smaller turbo you can make less hp and torque but stay in your peak rang for alot longer than you would beable to with a 72 and that is where you get the best et.
Last thing and then I am done:
I am not here to start or to cause trouble as you see I hardly even post anymore I just don't agree with the fact that people have to go out and spend 10's and 20 thousand dollars to get these truck running 10's thata is all
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Mike Woznicki
1993 Marlboro Typhoon
Proud Customer of Rockford Racecraft
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Your posts are so funny Stupid, I'm so glad you are back. Internet gear head who can't tell the difference between a screwdriver and a socket...
'Brian you know nothing..' etc. Should I post the email from a few months back where you offered to pay me to tune your truck, because you had no clue about Speedpro? Man, why would you go to me, all I am is a big know it all, spewing my worthless unproven opinions on a messageboard just to make myself feel important. I guess you know it all now though, no need to explain anything to you.
Bg, what did you sy run when it was al built? 11.0 or sumtin right? Mr know it all you had the combo's that everyone else wa using to run 10's but for some reason you couldnt do it now could you?
Let's see, I did 11.01 @ 125, hit 126 mph once. On a 63 turbo with 21psi, pump gas with alcohol. Peter ran 10s with a 124mph trap speed, running 20-22psi, with full race gas. He was running a 72 turbo. I swapped to a 72, never got to make a pass. Every track visit, I ran better with the truck. So, Ok, I never hit 10s, but I have ran MPH that was good enough for 10s.
I guess my combination sucks, I wasn't even close to hitting 10s on a consistent basis.
What did your Ty run again?
Darrin's Ty - hit high 11s once, and even he was unbelieving of that run. My point is that he has a built motor, very worked heads, camshaft, larger turbo.. and has hit 11s barely. Nothing taken away from him, but you can hit 11s on a stock motor Typhoon as well. His truck will do it easier, and will last longer... but the point is, I don't think the L35s make the world of a difference that the Vortec heads do.
Go back under your rock Stupid, you're still a moron, whether or not people on the board know it, anyone worth a shit in Chicagoland knows it.
'Brian you know nothing..' etc. Should I post the email from a few months back where you offered to pay me to tune your truck, because you had no clue about Speedpro? Man, why would you go to me, all I am is a big know it all, spewing my worthless unproven opinions on a messageboard just to make myself feel important. I guess you know it all now though, no need to explain anything to you.
Bg, what did you sy run when it was al built? 11.0 or sumtin right? Mr know it all you had the combo's that everyone else wa using to run 10's but for some reason you couldnt do it now could you?
Let's see, I did 11.01 @ 125, hit 126 mph once. On a 63 turbo with 21psi, pump gas with alcohol. Peter ran 10s with a 124mph trap speed, running 20-22psi, with full race gas. He was running a 72 turbo. I swapped to a 72, never got to make a pass. Every track visit, I ran better with the truck. So, Ok, I never hit 10s, but I have ran MPH that was good enough for 10s.
I guess my combination sucks, I wasn't even close to hitting 10s on a consistent basis.
What did your Ty run again?
Darrin's Ty - hit high 11s once, and even he was unbelieving of that run. My point is that he has a built motor, very worked heads, camshaft, larger turbo.. and has hit 11s barely. Nothing taken away from him, but you can hit 11s on a stock motor Typhoon as well. His truck will do it easier, and will last longer... but the point is, I don't think the L35s make the world of a difference that the Vortec heads do.
Go back under your rock Stupid, you're still a moron, whether or not people on the board know it, anyone worth a shit in Chicagoland knows it.
Silly
Banned
What was the point of that response? Was it to make you feel all big and better? Yeah I did ask you at one point to help me with me speedpro and you didn't and I got it running fine without you. i did not want this to turn into a pissing match but that is what you seem to want. No matter how technical I try to be or even if I ask a question you gotta turn it into a bitching war. Maybe that is why the syty world has turned into shit. I know alot of turbo people who read this board and they all come back to me and say it is a joke there is nothign but arguing and that they never learned anything. This topic has the potention to be very usful but not if it is turned into a bitching war. Now you as a moderator and somone that people look up to should now better but maybe you jsut haven't grown up yet. Now my last post had alot of things that should be discussed here and if your post are not going to have anythign to do with the thread i suggest you don't waste our time or space in this thread with your jibber jabber. Thank you
Also I never said L35's are better than Vortecs and by no means are they even close to being the same I was just saying that you can hit 10's without vortec and without the $2300 bill for them and that doenst even include porting!
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Mike Woznicki
1993 Marlboro Typhoon
Proud Customer of Rockford Racecraft
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Also I never said L35's are better than Vortecs and by no means are they even close to being the same I was just saying that you can hit 10's without vortec and without the $2300 bill for them and that doenst even include porting!
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Mike Woznicki
1993 Marlboro Typhoon
Proud Customer of Rockford Racecraft
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Your right mike I have never put up any numbers at all. I guess my 11 second typhoon with stock pistons, rods, heads, headers, and cam is crap right?
So what did you run? What ET/MPH? All i heard was claims, no real runs at a track with a timeslip.
I never said that his 11.0 wasn't respected in my eyes because it is that is one hell of a run. I just wanted to make it clear that everyone things he knows all his shit and this and that but he couldnt do it and couldnt even keep the truck running.
Geez, I couldn't keep my truck running.. I guess it was a tuning mistake that forced my oil pump pickup to fall out?? I don't know my shit... but you do know the Syty's I suppose? I do custom chip calibrations, I do custom Speedpro cal's from scratch, I've worked on pretty much any bolt on you can do, done head swaps, cam swaps, pulled motors, trannies, xfercases... troubleshooting on every aspect it seems, analyzed datalogs to help people out... I guess I haven't paid my dues to be able to give out some educated advice. You are right, I'm not qualified. What have you done?
I did not know that Guy Lavy ran 10's with the 50's. he was using accel dfi and not speedpro right? Also what turbo is and was he using? I am pretty sure it wasn't somthing as big as a 72 s teh 50's don't supply enough fuel to support a 72
He had a 68, with 52# injectors. Is that enough homework for you? However I agree with you, don't run 50s for 10s, go with at least 75s to have some headroom.
As far as the 60's series vs the 72 turbo goes here is where I am coming from with this
What is the effiency range of a T66 turbo as opposed to the t72?
I can't answer that without being referred to as a know it all, although I could give you the answer. Go do your homework, then I can clear up your misconceptions.
You would need a stall through the roof to be able to make a complete pass being in the effiency rang of a 72 and a pretty damn big cam.
Is that a fact? I guess the trucks (yes plural) I have driven and tuned with 72s were complete dogs with all out race trannies. Oops, no they weren't.. they were surprisingly responsive. I don't want to advise people on my real world experience though, I'll just guesstimate based on stuff i've heard on the internet...
with the 66 you won't need as much. Yes I know you still need quit a bit but not as much.
Ummm ok. How about the peak efficiency on the 66 versus the 72.. ? Have you looked at that? The 66 is efficient at higher pressure ratios, like 25-30psi, the 72 is better at 15-25psi. I'm making this up, not based on my analysis of any compressor maps htough.
You look at all the fast cars out there that are able to run 10's and 9's on not that much hp. why you ask? look at the dyno charts. what is their torque curve's doing? they aren't steadyly climbing as your rpm's go up which they would pretty much be doing with a 72 as you get into its effiency rang they are flat across you are making mad torque throught you WHOLE pass. Now I am sure with a 72 you will see bigger numbers hp and trq wise but for how long are you actually making that much power? With a smaller turbo you can make less hp and torque but stay in your peak rang for alot longer than you would beable to with a 72 and that is where you get the best et.
Excellent technical generalization with no numbers, data, or factual information to support. Your above 'analysis' might hold true for a vehicle running heads/cam that don't flow that much, but for one moving a lot of air it just isn't the case. I'll stop now, because I feel the need to explain everything, but you just aren't worth it.
Last thing and then I am done:
I am not here to start or to cause trouble as you see I hardly even post anymore I just don't agree with the fact that people have to go out and spend 10's and 20 thousand dollars to get these truck running 10's thata is all
Why don't you share with us all of your experience getting Syty's to run 10s then? Oh wait, you don't have any....
So what did you run? What ET/MPH? All i heard was claims, no real runs at a track with a timeslip.
I never said that his 11.0 wasn't respected in my eyes because it is that is one hell of a run. I just wanted to make it clear that everyone things he knows all his shit and this and that but he couldnt do it and couldnt even keep the truck running.
Geez, I couldn't keep my truck running.. I guess it was a tuning mistake that forced my oil pump pickup to fall out?? I don't know my shit... but you do know the Syty's I suppose? I do custom chip calibrations, I do custom Speedpro cal's from scratch, I've worked on pretty much any bolt on you can do, done head swaps, cam swaps, pulled motors, trannies, xfercases... troubleshooting on every aspect it seems, analyzed datalogs to help people out... I guess I haven't paid my dues to be able to give out some educated advice. You are right, I'm not qualified. What have you done?
I did not know that Guy Lavy ran 10's with the 50's. he was using accel dfi and not speedpro right? Also what turbo is and was he using? I am pretty sure it wasn't somthing as big as a 72 s teh 50's don't supply enough fuel to support a 72
He had a 68, with 52# injectors. Is that enough homework for you? However I agree with you, don't run 50s for 10s, go with at least 75s to have some headroom.
As far as the 60's series vs the 72 turbo goes here is where I am coming from with this
What is the effiency range of a T66 turbo as opposed to the t72?
I can't answer that without being referred to as a know it all, although I could give you the answer. Go do your homework, then I can clear up your misconceptions.
You would need a stall through the roof to be able to make a complete pass being in the effiency rang of a 72 and a pretty damn big cam.
Is that a fact? I guess the trucks (yes plural) I have driven and tuned with 72s were complete dogs with all out race trannies. Oops, no they weren't.. they were surprisingly responsive. I don't want to advise people on my real world experience though, I'll just guesstimate based on stuff i've heard on the internet...
with the 66 you won't need as much. Yes I know you still need quit a bit but not as much.
Ummm ok. How about the peak efficiency on the 66 versus the 72.. ? Have you looked at that? The 66 is efficient at higher pressure ratios, like 25-30psi, the 72 is better at 15-25psi. I'm making this up, not based on my analysis of any compressor maps htough.
You look at all the fast cars out there that are able to run 10's and 9's on not that much hp. why you ask? look at the dyno charts. what is their torque curve's doing? they aren't steadyly climbing as your rpm's go up which they would pretty much be doing with a 72 as you get into its effiency rang they are flat across you are making mad torque throught you WHOLE pass. Now I am sure with a 72 you will see bigger numbers hp and trq wise but for how long are you actually making that much power? With a smaller turbo you can make less hp and torque but stay in your peak rang for alot longer than you would beable to with a 72 and that is where you get the best et.
Excellent technical generalization with no numbers, data, or factual information to support. Your above 'analysis' might hold true for a vehicle running heads/cam that don't flow that much, but for one moving a lot of air it just isn't the case. I'll stop now, because I feel the need to explain everything, but you just aren't worth it.
Last thing and then I am done:
I am not here to start or to cause trouble as you see I hardly even post anymore I just don't agree with the fact that people have to go out and spend 10's and 20 thousand dollars to get these truck running 10's thata is all
Why don't you share with us all of your experience getting Syty's to run 10s then? Oh wait, you don't have any....