14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 brackets

DanenGraham

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

And yes the shop truck has the full brembo set up now.


So do you know what offset on the wheels is needed to clear the fronts?


danengraham said:
I have asked before and I'm sure you guys are just waiting to complete everything. But how far past the rotor face does the caliper sick out? Top of caliper? Bottom of caliper?
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wheel offset is irrelevant. I have tried 5 or 6 different wheels on the mock up, all have the proper offset to sit flush with the cladding but the caliper clearance is the determining factor. The cpokes, or centers have to come out far enough to clear the huge caliper.

From the hub of the rotor, the caliper sits 1 3/4" out. From the face of the rotor, where the caliper clamps, its 2 3/16"
 

jpalmer

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wheel offset is irrelevant. I have tried 5 or 6 different wheels on the mock up, all have the proper offset to sit flush with the cladding but the caliper clearance is the determining factor. The cpokes, or centers have to come out far enough to clear the huge caliper.

From the hub of the rotor, the caliper sits 1 3/4" out. From the face of the rotor, where the caliper clamps, its 2 3/16"
i have c6 zo6's with c6 z06 knockoff wheels and have the same problem. hits the spokes by 1/4" :tdown:
 

DanenGraham

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wheel offset is irrelevant. I have tried 5 or 6 different wheels on the mock up, all have the proper offset to sit flush with the cladding but the caliper clearance is the determining factor. The cpokes, or centers have to come out far enough to clear the huge caliper.

From the hub of the rotor, the caliper sits 1 3/4" out. From the face of the rotor, where the caliper clamps, its 2 3/16"


Thanks for the information!
 

DanenGraham

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

i have c6 zo6's with c6 z06 knockoff wheels and have the same problem. hits the spokes by 1/4" :tdown:


What offset on the wheels?

I think wheel offset is relevant, as a high offset will suck the wheels in. Lower offset will push the spokes out and give more clearance.

The offset built into the rotor/bracket/caliper in relation to the hub will also effect clearance as well, that is why i would like to look into the claim that the Camaro SS rotor has more offset than the CTS-V, but a different bracket, or spacers on the V bracket would be needed if that is the case.

Would love to know the, 5-6 different wheels they tried, and the offsets of each if known.
 

Ty1642

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wheel offset is irrelevant. I have tried 5 or 6 different wheels on the mock up, all have the proper offset to sit flush with the cladding but the caliper clearance is the determining factor. The cpokes, or centers have to come out far enough to clear the huge caliper.

From the hub of the rotor, the caliper sits 1 3/4" out. From the face of the rotor, where the caliper clamps, its 2 3/16"

Forget the brakes; what can you tell us about that rear suspension :)
 

jpalmer

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

I just need a spacer and longer studs. Not my preference but whats a man to do. Buy custom? My offset is stock vette offset
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

The problem is the curvature of the center section of the wheel (ie spokes, etc). Hence why offset is irrelevant. We tried the TSW's (18's) that are on it now, the super stock wheels (18's), a stock wheel with the barrel removed from the center just for clearence sake, SSR 3 pc wheels (19's) which fit the cladding perfectly with a 46mm offset but need a 1 inch spacer to clear the caliper due to spoke design. All of the wheels have a 43-46 mm offset. We've spent a lot of time trying and testing. In the end the distance off the rotor face is what you really need to know to see if your wheels will clear. And with the right wheel style, you don't need to go with new studs or spacers.

The other thing that we tested, because we figured that people won't want to get new rims due to a brake upgrade. So we mocked up the rear brembo calipers, which are still 4 piston and use a 13.5" rotor, and mounted them to the front spindle with a bracket. It uses a slightly different bracket, but the line coming off of it is the same as the fronts and was being developed anyways. You can retain the use of a 17" wheels but still have a very nice upgrade.

As for the rear end set up..... yes, we have more info and details on that, but don't want to take over this thread.
 

canadian

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

So we mocked up the rear brembo calipers, which are still 4 piston and use a 13.5" rotor, and mounted them to the front spindle with a bracket. It uses a slightly different bracket, but the line coming off of it is the same as the fronts and was being developed anyways. You can retain the use of a 17" wheels but still have a very nice upgrade.

So will you be offering a kit that makes use of the CTS-V calipers with a 13.5" rotor for people who want to stick with the ZR1 style rims (50mm and 56mm offsets)? Just curious as I wouldn't mind upgrading, but don't want to buy new rims.
 

jpalmer

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

The problem is the curvature of the center section of the wheel (ie spokes, etc). Hence why offset is irrelevant. We tried the TSW's (18's) that are on it now, the super stock wheels (18's), a stock wheel with the barrel removed from the center just for clearence sake, SSR 3 pc wheels (19's) which fit the cladding perfectly with a 46mm offset but need a 1 inch spacer to clear the caliper due to spoke design. All of the wheels have a 43-46 mm offset. We've spent a lot of time trying and testing. In the end the distance off the rotor face is what you really need to know to see if your wheels will clear. And with the right wheel style, you don't need to go with new studs or spacers.

Well with someone who owns wheels, calipers, rotors, and brackets, a spacer is the only way to fit my 6 piston calipers without switching rotors.
 

DanenGraham

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

SSR 3 pc wheels (19's) which fit the cladding perfectly with a 46mm offset but need a 1 inch spacer to clear the caliper due to spoke design.

And with the right wheel style, you don't need to go with new studs or spacers.


Any info on the SSR wheels? style and width?

From what im gathering from the pictures and your post, as long as you get a strait faced wheel, and or thin spokes, offset isnt an issue. Superstockers are flat and thin, and the TSW look flat with little curve to them if any.

Thank you very much for the info. And sorry i keep bring up wheel offsets as it sounds like you have figured out everything on that front and a lot of different wheels will work. I just know with my 55mm offset, and 9" wide semi concave wheel these brakes will NOT be an option that i can tell at this point. I would need the one inch spacer just like the SSR from the sound of it.

Thanks again, you guys are doing amazing stuff!
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

[/QUOTE]Well with someone who owns wheels, calipers, rotors, and brackets, a spacer is the only way to fit my 6 piston calipers without switching rotors.[/QUOTE]

You're right. If you got all that, then yes, lol. I was speaking in general.
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Danen, thanks for the kind words. Thats what takes the products so long to develop....one we are doing a lot at once, and two, the things we are doing, we want to try, test, assemble, fit and verify so if we do offer a kit, or help someone with a set up, we know exactly whats going on and do it correctly, and that takes time. All the questions help to clarify, we just try to answer as best we can.

Ok, back on topic. The wheels are SSR GT3's. I had them from a BMW. 19x8.5 front, 19x9.5 rear. I fit them up to a green grey ty and thought they looked fantastic. But with the lips and offset, don't even come near clearing the caliper. I'll try to find a pic.

They key to fittment that I'm seeing is something with a deeper/thicker cetner hub section. It spaceds the center of the wheel out far enough for the spoke to stay flatter and have a chance to clear. Brembos spec is 3mm of clearance for deflection, so you can be really close and worst case run a 2-5mm spacer on the hub and still clear, fit nicely to the cladding and not need studs.


Canadian, yes that is exactly what I thought and why I set up a rear caliper on a front for mock up. It will clear 17's and actually few 16's. So you can run a bad ass caliper and rotor but not have to buy new wheels if you have 17's. We need to finalize the brackets for these. The line kit is all set. And the spindles need much less modifying for these.


The other thing we did, that I should now mention, is use the spindle off of a second gen s10. I got the idea from looking around the junkyards and did some investigating. The wheel bearing is a much better design than ours, there is no separate rear seal that needs to be installed, and much less cutting and shaping is needed to fit the new brakes. You will need the second gen wheel bearing but its readily available at part stores. But the abs sensor is the same plug if youwant to retain it, or if not, it bolts into the hub so you can remove it, put a little block off plate over the hole and off you go. No drilling out rivets on the backing plate and all that. So that would be an option if someon wanted a set up from us.

Hope all this info helps. Keep the questions coming. Or if you want a set up, we can do that too ;)
 

64impala

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wouldn't you know it, a brake upgrade leading to wheel fittent problems and longer exposure to jackstands. Yea! Well I guess we will all figure it out one day. So I'm gatering that by doing this upgrade we seriously limit wheel possibilities to non dished/ deeplip wheels. Do we know if non deep lip vette repros will fit? Specifically c6z06.
 

DanenGraham

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wouldn't you know it, a brake upgrade leading to wheel fittent problems and longer exposure to jackstands. Yea! Well I guess we will all figure it out one day. So I'm gatering that by doing this upgrade we seriously limit wheel possibilities to non dished/ deeplip wheels. Do we know if non deep lip vette repros will fit? Specifically c6z06.


From what they have said, i think a lot of wheels will work with them. And i think as time goes on and people start trying new/different wheels, people should be able to find something they like and that will work for them.
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Wouldn't you know it, a brake upgrade leading to wheel fittent problems and longer exposure to jackstands. Yea! Well I guess we will all figure it out one day. So I'm gatering that by doing this upgrade we seriously limit wheel possibilities to non dished/ deeplip wheels. Do we know if non deep lip vette repros will fit? Specifically c6z06.

From what they have said, i think a lot of wheels will work with them. And i think as time goes on and people start trying new/different wheels, people should be able to find something they like and that will work for them.


OK, to go off of brakes and onto a soap box for a min. Everyone wants all sorts bad ass upgrades, but then a roadblock, like wheel choice in this case, turns out to be the road to porlonged jackstanding. Due to a variety of reasons...no support, no vendor back up, limited info, etc. We are trying to change this, so more trucks get back on the road with better parts faster, by testing, fitting, trying and actually using the stuff we are developing. And useing as many off the shelf, part store compatible parts so you don't have to fight getting rotors or pads, bolts, etc.

That being said, the bottom line is, to go with this set up, or the z06, you are taking a stock, 20 year old truck that came with single piston calipers and a 10.5" rotor and changing to a 14.1" and 4 or 6 pistons. You can expect such a drastic change and it to be easy or work with everything else, ie wheels, proportioning valve, spindle, etc. You have to consider the upgrade as a whole. The wheels need to be 18's. A separate proportioning valve would be ideal to optimize the set up. Second gen spindles and wheel bearings would make the whole set up much better. That all tacks on cost and time. This set up does work. We have figured out the nuances, come up with options and are prepared to offer full kits, with spindles already set up, powdercoated, brackets, lines, calipers, etc. But folks need to be aware other things that should be considered and ancillary costs to make the set up work and ideal for them.

Hope this makes sense, and helps. Now back to brakes!!
 

Syboy

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

That being said said:
What is include in the front kit bracket, brake hoses and cost for front kit?
What is include in the rear kit brake, brake hoses, brackets, ebrake cables, cost for rear kit?

I have 18" ZR1 wheels what do I need to make them clear 6 pistons 14" rotors other than spacers?

Can LS1 rear backing plate be use with 13" or 14"r rear rotors?

Can you tell us more about rear coil over suspension?
 

64impala

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

OK, to go off of brakes and onto a soap box for a min. Everyone wants all sorts bad ass upgrades, but then a roadblock, like wheel choice in this case, turns out to be the road to porlonged jackstanding. Due to a variety of reasons...no support, no vendor back up, limited info, etc. We are trying to change this, so more trucks get back on the road with better parts faster, by testing, fitting, trying and actually using the stuff we are developing. And useing as many off the shelf, part store compatible parts so you don't have to fight getting rotors or pads, bolts, etc.

That being said, the bottom line is, to go with this set up, or the z06, you are taking a stock, 20 year old truck that came with single piston calipers and a 10.5" rotor and changing to a 14.1" and 4 or 6 pistons. You can expect such a drastic change and it to be easy or work with everything else, ie wheels, proportioning valve, spindle, etc. You have to consider the upgrade as a whole. The wheels need to be 18's. A separate proportioning valve would be ideal to optimize the set up. Second gen spindles and wheel bearings would make the whole set up much better. That all tacks on cost and time. This set up does work. We have figured out the nuances, come up with options and are prepared to offer full kits, with spindles already set up, powdercoated, brackets, lines, calipers, etc. But folks need to be aware other things that should be considered and ancillary costs to make the set up work and ideal for them.

Hope this makes sense, and helps. Now back to brakes!!


I like where you are on this and it is great that we have people we can count on for our needs with these trucks. On the 2nd gen spindles are these 94+ year model? And will the kit I have (renz) work on the 2nd gen stuff? I like the idea of being able to mod spindles and fit it all up and not have the truck down the whole time. I think I gota call ya for more questions I have.
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

What is include in the front kit bracket, brake hoses and cost for front kit?
What is include in the rear kit brake, brake hoses, brackets, ebrake cables, cost for rear kit?

I have 18" ZR1 wheels what do I need to make them clear 6 pistons 14" rotors other than spacers?

Can LS1 rear backing plate be use with 13" or 14"r rear rotors?

Can you tell us more about rear coil over suspension?


I'd like to offer a kit that included everything except for the wheel bearings and rotors and pads. These you can get at most part stores, and the shipping on them would be pretty brutal. So first or second gen spindle, modded to accept the caliper, and powdercoated. Calipers. Hoses, clips, brackets, hardware, spacers and shims.

14.1" rotor front kit - $1100ish for the set up above. With pads rotors and bearings add $650

13.5" rotor front kit (uses the rear brembo caliper for a front to clear 17's - $900ish. With pads, rotors and bearings add $560


The rear kit would be basically the cost of the 13.5 kit. minus spindles and modding them so $750. Then pads and rotors add $300.

The only thing with the rear kit. we haven't finalized and e brake set up for them. We aren't using backing plates in the front or the rear. I"m looking into a mechanical caliper style ebrake set up. As for fitting your 18's you'd have to measure up the clearence from the rotor now and get and idea of the space you have to work with.

The rear suspension set up, theres another thread strictly speaking about the rear 4 link so lets keep that over there.
 

Sportmachines

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Re: 14" Z06 Rotors + 4 Piston CTS-V Brembo Calipers = 14" BBK under $700 w/Ls1 bracke

I like where you are on this and it is great that we have people we can count on for our needs with these trucks. On the 2nd gen spindles are these 94+ year model? And will the kit I have (renz) work on the 2nd gen stuff? I like the idea of being able to mod spindles and fit it all up and not have the truck down the whole time. I think I gota call ya for more questions I have.

Thanks. That is what we are trying to do. THe second gen spindles that you want are on the later second gens, 2000+ We have also used these spindles to come up with an GM OEM style upgrade as an alternative to the LS1 set up. These spindles use the better wheel bearing design. And their caliper is a 2 piston set up that equals the size of the z51 set up. No corvette writing on the front. No extra brackets or lines needed. Just the spindles, the sliders, and caliper. Bolts in the factory ball joints, and you can even use your factory brake hose. I think this is a much better alternative to the covetter calipers. and the way its designed, it will clear the stock wheels. We have done this to a couple trucks so far. A kit like this would perform much better than stock, but keeps the costs down. This kit would run in the $500-600 range.

Give us a call with any questions. We have a new shop number: 585-204-SYTY (7989)
 
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