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Monesq

Typhoon # 1643
Re: BullySyclone

I must chime in as I have been following this issue over several threads. Since I can't go to the Nats, I can get a glimpse of what it may be like (and frankly, it does not look all that inviting). I enjoy this community and their sincere love of a vehicle which I fell in love with when it first came out!

I can see why Bully Sy would want to defend his friend, a friend who was simply asking a few questions out of concern for the safety of his friend (though "street racing" is hardly safe) and concerned that his friend might be disqualified. I can also see why you would be concerned that the overseas gentlemen may have an unfair advantage if somehow his rig does not have to qualify under NHRA requisites while you would have to comply.

If his truck and yours are not compliant and you can't be allowed to race - everyone losses! Of course that would not be known initially unless the track is aware of your capability. (These guys do this for a living though so . . ) At least you all can see these rides up close and personal. If, however, the NHRA regs do not apply for this specific Nat, and/or this overseas gentlemen's ride is compliant with all requisite regulations, what does anyone have to lose? Unless they are a) overly concerned about a racer's welfare (since street racing is more than a hobby, that can't apply) or b) there is a concern of an unfair advantage taken by someone who has not complied with requisite NHRA regulations, which may give them an edge due to reduced weight, etc. (this seems more obvious to me at least).

In any event, though it is a great thing to come to the support of a friend you must see from an objective point of view that it looks rather suspicious that this has become an issue so close to the time when these vehicles are going to the Nats.

Although it would be an exercise in futility if you are turned down at the gates of Kansas you can still enjoy the Nats and the company.

As an aside - It does appear logical that the regulations would apply to this Nat - even if it is a private venture, and even if the track obtains releases from all involved not to sue, you can bet your sweet bippy that if someone gets hurt and it is attributable to not following the NHRA regs, that track will nevertheless get sued and I can almost guarantee the track would lose. We have become a society of lawsuits and people who do not want to assume the responsibility for their own actions. Even the most noble of us would more than likely weaken at the thought of being able to sue and win a large sum of money because we crushed our vertebrae which could have been prevented if the track would have followed the NHRA rules and required a cage.

If you really want to be safe and not get disqualified, get legal then you have nothing to worry about. If you’re concerned that somehow the overseas gentlemen has been given special dispensation and thus is not playing fair, this community would be able to recognize that disadvantage. A record is really not a record if it comes with an asterisks. (Just ask Mr. Bonds a few years from now).

For this person to come all the way to the US I would think that they would want to win the fastest Sy comp legitimately, otherwise, why even come?

That’s all I have to say. If I have bored you, sorry, drink some more beer, you’ll forget. If I have insulted anyone by voicing (actually penning) my opinion - Eat Me! :2cents: Time for my stoggie now.
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
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Wow... there are some REAL ****ing assholes on this site. I've sat back and read all three threads concerning this drama and am floored by the amount of people who are coming out of the woodwork just to be a prick. Seriously guys... grow the **** up.

Especially the mods, it's your DUTY to keep shit civil and on topic but it seems that several mods are just as quick to join the pissing match. There's no reason what-so-ever that this turned into the shit flinging fest that it has. The questions brought up were simple and basic yet some members decided that it was their place to turn a conversation into a personal attack. Seriously, threatening someone who might attend an event is NOT cool and I'm sure ****ing glad I won't see any of you **** sticks at Nats. There's a few good people on this site but it seems that it's quickly being over run by chest pounding meat sticks that don't know the first thing about these trucks but profess to know everything and chastise anyone who might question that. How old are we? 12? Seriously, go back and read all three threads from beginning to end and you'll see some level headed conversation (which is what forums are about) and unprovoked personal attacks stemming from seemingly nowhere.

Man... .what a buncha pricks.

If what I said offended you then YOU are the ****ing problem. Think about that carefully before jumping to load the flame thrower and click the 'Post Reply' button to attack me or threaten me.
 

Jer

Don't taze me bro!
Re: BullySyclone

Monesq said:
I must chime in as I have been following this issue over several threads. Since I can't go to the Nats, I can get a glimpse of what it may be like (and frankly, it does not look all that inviting). I enjoy this community and their sincere love of a vehicle which I fell in love with when it first came out!

I can see why Bully Sy would want to defend his friend, a friend who was simply asking a few questions out of concern for the safety of his friend (though "street racing" is hardly safe) and concerned that his friend might be disqualified. I can also see why you would be concerned that the overseas gentlemen may have an unfair advantage if somehow his rig does not have to qualify under NHRA requisites while you would have to comply.

If his truck and yours are not compliant and you can't be allowed to race - everyone losses! Of course that would not be known initially unless the track is aware of your capability. (These guys do this for a living though so . . ) At least you all can see these rides up close and personal. If, however, the NHRA regs do not apply for this specific Nat, and/or this overseas gentlemen's ride is compliant with all requisite regulations, what does anyone have to lose? Unless they are a) overly concerned about a racer's welfare (since street racing is more than a hobby, that can't apply) or b) there is a concern of an unfair advantage taken by someone who has not complied with requisite NHRA regulations, which may give them an edge due to reduced weight, etc. (this seems more obvious to me at least).

In any event, though it is a great thing to come to the support of a friend you must see from an objective point of view that it looks rather suspicious that this has become an issue so close to the time when these vehicles are going to the Nats.

Although it would be an exercise in futility if you are turned down at the gates of Kansas you can still enjoy the Nats and the company.

As an aside - It does appear logical that the regulations would apply to this Nat - even if it is a private venture, and even if the track obtains releases from all involved not to sue, you can bet your sweet bippy that if someone gets hurt and it is attributable to not following the NHRA regs, that track will nevertheless get sued and I can almost guarantee the track would lose. We have become a society of lawsuits and people who do not want to assume the responsibility for their own actions. Even the most noble of us would more than likely weaken at the thought of being able to sue and win a large sum of money because we crushed our vertebrae which could have been prevented if the track would have followed the NHRA rules and required a cage.

If you really want to be safe and not get disqualified, get legal then you have nothing to worry about. If you’re concerned that somehow the overseas gentlemen has been given special dispensation and thus is not playing fair, this community would be able to recognize that disadvantage. A record is really not a record if it comes with an asterisks. (Just ask Mr. Bonds a few years from now).

For this person to come all the way to the US I would think that they would want to win the fastest Sy comp legitimately, otherwise, why even come?

That’s all I have to say. If I have bored you, sorry, drink some more beer, you’ll forget. If I have insulted anyone by voicing (actually penning) my opinion - Eat Me! :2cents: Time for my stoggie now.

Gat dayum... the n00b makes more sense than ANYONE.
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dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
Re: BullySyclone

Wow, I feel like I am on the Supraforums again :roll: So much drama, relax the SyTy Nationals is suposed to be fun...
 

Jimmy

Banned
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Jer said:
Wow... there are some REAL ****ing assholes on this site. I've sat back and read all three threads concerning this drama and am floored by the amount of people who are coming out of the woodwork just to be a prick. Seriously guys... grow the **** up.

Especially the mods, it's your DUTY to keep shit civil and on topic but it seems that several mods are just as quick to join the pissing match. There's no reason what-so-ever that this turned into the shit flinging fest that it has. The questions brought up were simple and basic yet some members decided that it was their place to turn a conversation into a personal attack. Seriously, threatening someone who might attend an event is NOT cool and I'm sure ****ing glad I won't see any of you **** sticks at Nats. There's a few good people on this site but it seems that it's quickly being over run by chest pounding meat sticks that don't know the first thing about these trucks but profess to know everything and chastise anyone who might question that. How old are we? 12? Seriously, go back and read all three threads from beginning to end and you'll see some level headed conversation (which is what forums are about) and unprovoked personal attacks stemming from seemingly nowhere.

Man... .what a buncha pricks.

If what I said offended you then YOU are the ****ing problem. Think about that carefully before jumping to load the flame thrower and click the 'Post Reply' button to attack me or threaten me.
You bring up some valid points Jer,and I would like to offer my apology for being one of the childish pricks that reponded to the threads,but I think you are missing the big picture here.How many Nats have you been to? How many have John and his crew been to?

0.

This is the 9th annual meet.

Let me quantify:

The Nats has always been a laid back wink wink tech event.We have never had to worry about much at all. Hoover's run 10 flat,Guy Lavy,McCoy,ect have never had a problem.

Were they NHRA legal? :rotf:

Did anybody get hurt? Were ppl in danger?

No.

So (IMO,reading between the lines,not the WORDS!!!!!!) here comes Bully and his crew expecting us to all abide by NHRA guidelines? Coming across like they have notified the NHRA,contacted the owner of KCIR,and expecting us to abide by THIER rules for an event they have NOTHING to do with?

Nice.Way to go.

Destroy the event as we know it,then laugh about Robert's truck SITTING because it won't meet tech? Then chastising ppl that GO EVERY YEAR for being dickheads about something THEY started?

Please.

You don't know us.Youv'e never been there, but you are qualified to make broad judgements about our group as a whole?
 

natsforever

New member
Re: BullySyclone

It's sandbox rules. We play my way or I'm taking my toys and going home, taken one step further. We play my way or no one plays. I know, we just don't get it....
 

Nova67ss

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I have one Question about the NHRA rules..
Is´nt it a maximum ET to AWD thats states not faster than 11.99???

I could´nt find them on the net, and time to buy them hav em shipped here is to late. the swedis nhra rules we find in a sec... It would have been fair to take this discution BEFORE we shipped the truck not 3-4 days befor we FLY ut to US. how on earth are we going to fix this on a plain???

By the way our rules are the NHRA rules but translated to swedish and some tags are also (mostly on race suits and helmets) FIA aproved. thats why Robert bought his from Summit then he got the SFI aproved gear thats legaly here in sweden because these are nhra rules..

All the safetyparts are SFI aproved, cage built in dimentions demandet by NHRA all is to spec.. and we also aplyed for a dispece and because we could show the safety aspects to it we got that, it up to U to seek the same.. U can get a NO or a YES.. the cage as we know have all the right spec, dimensions is built by the BEST chassie builder in norther europe.. de different is the label/tag on the aproval.
 

Captain Morgan

Moderated User
Re: BullySyclone

natsforever said:
It's sandbox rules. We play my way or I'm taking my toys and going home, taken one step further. We play my way or no one plays. I know, we just don't get it....
Thats definately what it is.

Its one thing to worry about your own truck being legal. Its another to worry or make accusations about someone elses truck being legal and its certainly uncalled for to declare that XXXX criteria will be met, like its their event or they have any say in what does or does not happen at Nats.

That attitude will not get you free beer in the hotel parking lot.
 

natsforever

New member
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Someone on here said that Ed Hess is jumping through all the NHRA hoops. Is he not AWD? Is he running in the 12's? Are any AWD imports running in the 11's?
 

JSM

Active member
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The internet is great. All these people worried about a truck they have never seen, just pictures. Instant experts of something they have no knowledge of.

Robert and I will be there, it's his truck and I am helping, leave the situations to us to handle and don't worry about things. Posting here about this matter is worthless.

Anders is correct NHRA rules specify 4x4 trucks can't run faster than 11.99.

You won't see my post on syty.net again for weeks due to all this.
 

qbnkiller

Conflaguration Specialist
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JS Manufacturing said:
Robert and I will be there, it's his truck and I am helping, leave the situations to us to handle and don't worry about things. Posting here about this matter is worthless.

You won't see my post on syty.net again for weeks due to all this.

While the top line is encouraging, the second line is not. This goes to show everyone that we NEED to all back off and chill the **** out. Robert's truck is getting handled by Jeff. I know it isn't something he needs to have thrown in his lap right now, but what do you do. I want people to see that we can still turn this shitty point in time around. You can still get Robert's truck teched IN CASE they do turn out to be ever-vigilant at the track. A technicality sucks, but it is what it is. There are a few of us that have been bitten by it before. As I stated before, everyone at Nats needs to be assured that when the smoke settles, we can all still get along.

So I am going to be the one that asks these questions:

(1) If John goes to Nats, will everyone give him the cold shoulder?
(2) If both these trucks make it to the track and one does not pass TECH, will the shitstorm get out of hand?
(3) Regardless of who wins (in the event they can race head to head), can they both (John and Robert) still have a beer and shake hands? You know....good sportsmanship?

These are pretty important in my opinion, and I think that we need to hear stuff from these two guys, as well as those of you who have been flaming away. I mentioned it in one of the threads that was locked, but as someone coming to Nats for the first time, (4) if you know that there will be a giant dividing wall there between the two camps, would you go?

My answers:

(1) they shouldn't.
(2) there should be hurt feelings, but shoiuldn't be any animosity.
(3) I sure as hell hope so.
(4) no I wouldn't.
 

bezerk

New member
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if i had the money, i would have had the fastest, and i would have been there, and won, bought everybody beer, gave everybody a ride in my truck, and i would call out anybody to race me, and i would not stop talking shit...

seriously, i don't care who has the fastest, people get respect of what they do, and how they do it, not because of what they have..
nice and all that robert is brining his truck, and he has a fast one, but Nova67SS (i bet you reading), is throwing oil on fire..it's not your truck, it is robert his truck, he seems to be a good guy that gets respect,
 
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ghettosled said:
Everyone just keep your mouths shut during tech, and tell em your truck has run a best of 12.00.

Tech has NEVER been a problem in the past, I dont see why it is such an issue this year.

Bring a helmet, fire jacket, and long pants :)

You have to atleast prove your truck is too fast before they kick you out.



smartest thing said in this whole damn thread...

let bully syclone take care of getting his truck ready........and let jeff take care of roberts truck.everyone have a good time and let's see what happens.
 

MikeRenz

not stock
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this is a race or two for the US guys to run against the fastest known (by syty.net) SyTy 1/4 ET. At NO time throughout the many years that the "fastest awd syty" has been something that maybe 10 people and their trucks have been trying to attain or keep under thei belt.

AT NO TIME HAS THIS EVER BEEN A FASTEST AWD NHRA-COMPLIANT SYTY title. Maybe we should just make a new category - Fastest NHRA Legal SyTy. Then maybe the bitching will stop.

Whatever cuased OG's to leave SyTy.net before....you guys are effectively trumping that.
 

dgoodhue

BuSTeD 4.3
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qbnkiller said:
You know....good sportsmanship?

That is an awfully funny word to use, because I feel what Lafinrodent & BullySyclone have done is poor sportsmanship. This is supposed to be a community event & couple people may have ruined that. Ratting out a fellow competitor for safety equipment, that is low blow. They had no business alerting and giving them time to prepare and look up every rule for tech inspection and internal NHRA licensing, I don't care how innocently you spin it.

This is what is suppose to happen

let bully syclone take care of getting his truck ready........and let jeff take care of roberts truck.everyone have a good time and let's see what happens.

In the past I have notice some track are strict to rules for legal reason when you question them, but usually are more lenient when you get to the track or pass tech inspection. If someone at KCIR is going to be a stickler for the rules, they most likely have been notified. They maybe forced by NHRA & Legal reason because of you questioning. I have never seen anything like this in my dozen year on the internet and being involved with different Supra, Corvette & SyTy meets.

As an accountant, I don't go around notifying the IRS any time I see a mistake or perhaps an incorrect interpretation of a rule. For audits, I don't give them a heads up for ideas.

I honestly don't know if Robert truck is NHRA certified for the US. This truck is most likely only going to be here once. Robert probably has more Safety equipment than any of the other past 8 years Nats trucks. This is a great way to introduce him to US of SyTy owners. As a first time Nats attendee, this has sure put a damper on the excitement of my first nationals. This has really turn me off and disgusted me.

BTW Is any going to call the EPA to make sure all street driven vehicle emission devices are properly working? I just want to know if I should help all the NASTE truck going whether or not they are walking into a firestorm.
 

UR50SLO

V6+2=LSXCamaro
Come on.....

Come on.....

First off.... there must be a Typo in Bully's age... 43? I think that's over stated for his poor attitude... are you sure you have not owned a Mustang in the past and kept the "excuse" attitude? :tdown:
You could be a good guy.. but on the internet your attitude sure isn't.

I will be pissed if they don't let Robert or others run for petty rules. I've never been a fan of NHRA or IHRA rules... Too strict for today's cars. When a new Z06 runs low 11's at 125mph? GM going to put a cage in it because NHRA requires it? NO.

Im debating on buying a remote cut off switch because my battery is re-located so we will be 100% Legal....

Hope we can all be good at the nats..
~Scott
 
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dave i agree with you 100%.... if someone took the liberty of calling nhra and/or kcir and specifically said so and so's truck has/ dose'nt have this or that then that individual is a real work of art " piece of shit " actually.
but bully said that they never mentioned roberts truck specifically when they made the call to whoever. trust me when you all arrive to kcir you will find out real quick if said truck was mentioned specifically. if this is the case then someone deserves a real ass stompin.

roberts truck is here to attend nats...take the truck to nats...i would think that jeff scott took evey measure to make sure that roberts truck would be able to race.see if someone was tipped off or asked to look out for said truck...then and only then can someone say you did this to sabotage our chances of racing.

maybe bully had the call made just for his purposes. maybe the call was made to give someone the heads up... no one of really knows except the person who made the call. but in 7 days all of us will find out. then accusations can be made about said individuals intentions.

until then everybody make sure your trucks meet the requirements and be safe getting to kcir.
 

BULLY Syclone

Höhe Fragen!
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Jimmy said:
You bring up some valid points Jer,and I would like to offer my apology for being one of the childish pricks that reponded to the threads,but I think you are missing the big picture here.How many Nats have you been to? How many have John and his crew been to?

0.

This is the 9th annual meet.

Let me quantify:

The Nats has always been a laid back wink wink tech event.We have never had to worry about much at all. Hoover's run 10 flat,Guy Lavy,McCoy,ect have never had a problem.

Were they NHRA legal? :rotf:

Did anybody get hurt? Were ppl in danger?

No.

So (IMO,reading between the lines,not the WORDS!!!!!!) here comes Bully and his crew expecting us to all abide by NHRA guidelines? Coming across like they have notified the NHRA,contacted the owner of KCIR,and expecting us to abide by THIER rules for an event they have NOTHING to do with?

Nice.Way to go.

Destroy the event as we know it,then laugh about Robert's truck SITTING because it won't meet tech? Then chastising ppl that GO EVERY YEAR for being dickheads about something THEY started?

Please.

You don't know us.Youv'e never been there, but you are qualified to make broad judgements about our group as a whole?









You are wrong again.......I have been to the nats 3 times and I did not start all this shit I DO NOT CARE IF ROBERTS TRUCK PASSES..........what is that like the tenth time I have had to say that...AAron did what AAron did and I cant control all my friends all the time but cool you guys have fun at the nats.....LATE
 
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