95xtreme
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Re: Handling info
The stock syclone/ typhoon bar is 33mm. Although in my opinion going to a 2nd gen bar is a good upgrade since it runs an end link style bar. Which then you could either run a heim joint or shorten the end link to get the sway bar more level to the suspension. On one of my trucks I actually flip the sway bar to the top side of the control arm with a shorten end link for better geometry.
These trucks do have a lot of body roll when, the thing to remember though is these trucks came factory with torsion bars, and most of the trucks out there still had them. When running coil overs though it eliminates a ton of body roll right away on these chassis.
As for the tall ball joint options, I am not really aware of any. Jeff maybe able to chime in here on his arms but have they been shortened up at all? I know the ball joint angle has been corrected, and I believe they have been just so it can be aligned but not positive.
One other thing to think about is adding frame braces, as you have seen at a drag strip especially Syclones tend to twist a lot. Its great for added traction in a straight line but not so helpful in the tight twisties of a road course or autox.
I know second gen s10's with the zq8 suspension package came with an added frame brace between the front box mounts. This could be a cheap junk yard option, or get out the welder and build one. There is also the fully boxed frame, but that does add a bit of weight and sounds like you are putting the truck on a diet.
I don't know what the geometry is like on the 4wd chassis but the camber curve on the 2wd is bad. You can run tall balljoints and shorter upper control arms on 2wds to help correct it and raise the roll center but tire wear is still horrible on the outside of the fronts. In about 25 runs I basically destroyed the tires I bought from Mark a while back.
I run 42-44 psi front and 32-35 rear with C5 ZO6 wheels/tires to help with the understeer and rear traction issues. The alignment has lots of negative camber and close to zero toe to help with turn in. Adjustable shocks helped too - I'm running HAL stocker stars. It's nice to be able to dial them back for normal driving.
When the guys did the auto-x at Nats last year the body roll looked pretty bad from the sidelines - I don't think I would sacrifice the larger front SB. Is the front bar 33mm? If not, the later model 4wds came with one and that's as big as they get. ES makes poly bushings for it and fabbing endlinks with heim joints is pretty easy from what I've read.
There's a few guys building 4wds on protourings10.com but I think most are members here as well.
The stock syclone/ typhoon bar is 33mm. Although in my opinion going to a 2nd gen bar is a good upgrade since it runs an end link style bar. Which then you could either run a heim joint or shorten the end link to get the sway bar more level to the suspension. On one of my trucks I actually flip the sway bar to the top side of the control arm with a shorten end link for better geometry.
These trucks do have a lot of body roll when, the thing to remember though is these trucks came factory with torsion bars, and most of the trucks out there still had them. When running coil overs though it eliminates a ton of body roll right away on these chassis.
As for the tall ball joint options, I am not really aware of any. Jeff maybe able to chime in here on his arms but have they been shortened up at all? I know the ball joint angle has been corrected, and I believe they have been just so it can be aligned but not positive.
One other thing to think about is adding frame braces, as you have seen at a drag strip especially Syclones tend to twist a lot. Its great for added traction in a straight line but not so helpful in the tight twisties of a road course or autox.
I know second gen s10's with the zq8 suspension package came with an added frame brace between the front box mounts. This could be a cheap junk yard option, or get out the welder and build one. There is also the fully boxed frame, but that does add a bit of weight and sounds like you are putting the truck on a diet.