How to install stock arm coil overs

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

i'm planning on doing a write up, i'm going to dismantle everything today and see if there is any rubbing after the trip

the most important thing is that I made the 1400+ mile trip to and from homecoming with this setup.

in other words, it can and will work.
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

First of all I wanted to thank MR King and E-rue for both the idea and supplying the needed parts.

Things you need to know/have ahead of time:
-Its not easy, but it is not impossible either
-Removing the torsion bars and torsion bar x-member are NOT easy, especially with a ATR exhaust.
-you will need a seperating fork (for breaking the ball joints from the spindle)
-Angle grinder and/or die grinder
-Regular tools to remove all parts and what-not
Coilover step:

-put the coilovers together following the instructions provided, tighten them down until the spring seats are roughly 2-2.25" from the first thread. (see pic)
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you will need to grind away at the stock suspension setup, using the angle grinder or the die grinder..follow mr king's instructions to do so.. each truck is different so the amount you have to grind might change per truck.

After a test drive or two I noticed that the inside of the upper a-arm hit the sping at full compression, so i ended up grinding some material away from that area as well.

I used the stock teflon bushings, I'm not extremely happy with them and I am going to try the polyurethane setup, if it works hopefully it won't squeak as much and will last alot longer.


If your truck sits like this it is WAY to low and is riding on the bump stops.. tighten up the springs alot to raise your truck.
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After the 1400+ mile trip to homecoming and back my truck had a few squeaks, i think it is the ball joints, but i'm not 100% sure... what i am positive about is that there is no more rubbing, nothing seemed to be hitting the entire trip and after the trip i decided to raise the truck up another 1/4" or so.

I noticed the biggest improvement is overall handling on the highway and around town, there is ZERO body roll, even with cheapo air shocks in the rear and NO rear sway bar the truck is much stiffer around turns, especially at 110 mph :D

I gave test rides to a few members and they all seemed impressed, I will leave it up to them to give their opinions.

I pretty much beat the piss out of the suspension while in Michigan and on the way there/home, the coilovers took it without a problem, no body roll, no issues what-so-ever. I took a few turns at very impressive speeds and the truck didn't have any problem making them.

I'd say it is a great step in resolving the known suspension issues with these trucks, keep in mind that the ball joints are still at a poor angle and they will still need to be replaced quite often..

as for the ultimate test, my girlfriend gives the modification a huge thumbs up, she said the ride is softer and much better than the stock setup.:tup:
 

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

About time for a group purchase now huh ?

I'm glad you liked them . If they failed you somehow , I knew I would've been tar+feathered and pummeled with rocks for sure .
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

MRKING said:
About time for a group purchase now huh ?

I'm glad you liked them . If they failed you somehow , I knew I would've been tar+feathered and pummeled with rocks for sure .

not at all.. ask anyone, i'm crazy enough to do something like this without anyone trying it out before.. hell i drove the truck quite hard on the road to the track in michigan and that road was equal to a top notch rockcrawling course. :D
 

MikeRenz

not stock
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

smaug said:
hell i drove the truck quite hard on the road to the track in michigan and that road was equal to a top notch rockcrawling course. :D

yes that road sucked. Plus i know smaug gave lots of rides to people to show it off. Whenever i saw a Typhoon zigzagging through a parking lot harshly for no reason....I realized it was just Smaug......again.
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

MikeRenz said:
yes that road sucked. Plus i know smaug gave lots of rides to people to show it off. Whenever i saw a Typhoon zigzagging through a parking lot harshly for no reason....I realized it was just Smaug......again.

it was only 4 or 5 rides :tup:

I still think JSM's setup is even better, but this is probably the cheapest way for the biggest improvement in suspension..
 

JSM

Active member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

I drove Smaugs truck in the lot at the track. It is much better than stock and a good mod.

Worse case if someone didn't like it, you can swap back.

Plus anything that survives that road to the track can survive the worse 100k miles you can give it.
 

E-Rue

New member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

GP is coming.... but we want to try something first. we are gonna try the poly bushings in it now, to see if the shock angle is close enough to straight to line up perpendicular to the mounting bolts. "if" the poly bushings will work, they would be the prefered setup since the rod ends need to be replaced every year or 2 depending on how much you drive it. iv already been thru one set of rod ends on my syclone. i daily drive it, and its had about a years worth of driving on them.

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mattw

Active member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

E-RUE said:
GP is coming.... but we want to try something first. we are gonna try the poly bushings in it now, to see if the shock angle is close enough to straight to line up perpendicular to the mounting bolts. "if" the poly bushings will work, they would be the prefered setup since the rod ends need to be replaced every year or 2 depending on how much you drive it. iv already been thru one set of rod ends on my syclone. i daily drive it, and its had about a years worth of driving on them.

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I'm most likely going to be in on the GP but I was wondering if you think the same springs would be fine with the added weight of an iron block/heads 350? It will be turbocharged & intercooled so no weight savings there. I'm thinking ~200lbs heaver than a sy/ty up front. Can you even get stiffer springs with that small of a diameter?


Thanks,
-Matt
 

93 TY 2185

Donating Member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

mattw said:
I'm most likely going to be in on the GP but I was wondering if you think the same springs would be fine with the added weight of an iron block/heads 350? It will be turbocharged & intercooled so no weight savings there. I'm thinking ~200lbs heaver than a sy/ty up front. Can you even get stiffer springs with that small of a diameter?


Thanks,
-Matt

I'm thinking of going V8 for the Syclone Matt.
I was looking on his site and he has a 750# spring.
http://www.turbotime.us/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=1080000-1113260654
 

E-Rue

New member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

the 550,600,and 750lb/in are "off the shelf", and for a few extra bucks you can get anything inbetween "custom". in my oppinion a 650or 700 would be good for a small block, but its hard to guess..... might take some experimenting to get it just right.

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sy445

New member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

Are these coilovers available to purchase yet? any links for them if so?
 

TurboJunk

questionable
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

SOLD, please let me know where to sign up for the gp i need this is my life. i have broken enough fender arches.
 

mattw

Active member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

TurboJunk said:
SOLD, please let me know where to sign up for the gp i need this is my life. i have broken enough fender arches.


Sounds like you need some functional bump-stops..


-Matt
 

BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

fyi, the poly bushings work..

squeak a little bit more than the teflon, but if you lube them up they are good to go.. they do however require a bit more grinding work and overall fitment.

Thanks to this I can have my shocks in and out in about 20min now. =)
 

E-Rue

New member
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

ok im working to organize this GP now.... the shocks can be made to fit, and we are happy with the performance. there are a couple of downsides to consider.... this is not a bolt in and requires quite a bit of effort on the part of the customer. you have to be able to turn wrenches and you have to be able to follow the pictures as well as think for yourself (every truck is a little different). once you get this kit installed the only downside that i see is getting to the allignment bolt on the control arm is VERY tight. you may actually have to buy a wrench and modify it to be able to make adjustments on the allignment rack as the spring and upper control arm adjustment bolt are very close to touching. the poly bushings were a success, and in my oppinion this is the prefered method because they do not wear out. they do make a little noise unless you grease them very well and im not convinced that they might not squeek in the future unless you continue to grease them. the spherical bearing ends on the shock will also work fine if you prefer that option, but keep in mind they need to be replaced every year or 2 depending on how much you drive the truck. another feature to keep in mind is the components of this kit are the same ones used in the full coilover setup. although we no longer work with JS to provide the a-arms you could always upgrade this kit down the road by ordering a-arms from race proven motors. before i go calling the vendors and trying to get volume discounts...... how many people are interested in this kit? i can do a discount in volume, but to get a real break its gonna require vendor participation. i think we will be able to do significantly better on price if we can get at least 20-25 people in on it. take a look at a few of the instalation pics, and let me know if you guys are interested.

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BigBadSmoosh

Picking fights on I-65 since 2013
Re: How to install stock arm coil overs

I'm in for a set as well.. for my syclone.

my, poor poor bank account..
 
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