restoration frame off?

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eviltwin

eviltwin

"junkyard syclone"
Re: restoration frame off?

91syclone832 said:
So you can get a syclone with a fresh motor and flawless paint and interior for 7500 shit tell me where it is ill buy that thing
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You need to open your eyes and see where the market is for these trucks. 120k miles and a sunroof. Good luck with that.
 
randy merritt

randy merritt

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I think Mr Rumsfeld sums this whole Sy/Ty thing up with this quote:

"Reports that say that something hasn't happened are always interesting to me, because as we know, there are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns -- the ones we don't know we don't know."

EX: what do you mean the knock sensor has to be torqued at 14 ft. lbs instead of 12 to get correct reading?? That was somethin that I did not know that I did not know.

I read a full year before posting much. There is lots to learn.

Enjoy
 
IpHoOnDyou

IpHoOnDyou

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This may be a lil off topic!? But is the OP the one where his dad owns a viper and his brother owns a z06? Just curious?!! And yeah im a noob, i have done alot of reading on here alot of phone calls to people ex. Mike hood of hoodtuned.com, Tom of sportmachienes, an Mike Lee of Sytyperformance. Without these guys i would not get to enjoy my truck at all!! I didnt go crazy with performance just fun everyday driving around, my truck runs i know how to take care of it but the key here is that is RUNS PERFECT and i enjoy it everyday because of these guys. I also keep my brothers Syclone running also, which i think is awesome because we have to running driving trucks we dont have to keep on jakstands because of these guy's help^^^^^. My honest and most truthfull opoinion is to go buy a honda or a nissan an go flip one of those!! You obviously have no love for these like we or I do!!! Seriously i could not hand the keys to someone an watch her drive away..... My point is no love...... An yeah everyone else is right you will never..... Let me repeat this NEVER get what you are going to put into this truck!!! Like i said your in socal buy a honda nissan ect. An flip that you will have much better luck an it will be cheaper
 
IpHoOnDyou

IpHoOnDyou

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91syclone832 said:
Yes dave i am gonna get her running first, register,insure get her running decent then take the motor out and rebuild it with forged pistons evrything else stock even turbo and paint the truck while the engine is out im still deciding on the frame so bare with me as far as it never running under my ownership hahahaha well see about that i got the time and money and two brothers that build real cars so i think i got this
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And this just makes no sence at all!!!! "get it running all nice an shinny then rip it apart" thats like taking a big messy shit, you push really hard read the news paper couple magazines, your legs fall asleep!! And after all that you dont even wipe your ass!!! There are alot of guys on here an i mean alot who wish they had running driving Sy's or Ty's!!




Sorry for the weird anology<i know i didnt spell that right! Just want everyone to have a good laugh
 
REVEREND HARMON

REVEREND HARMON

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Whats it gonna take eh? Well, to do it right and down to the bolt.....my estimate in parts alone comes to about 38k. Thats replacing everything old....cleaning and powder coating everything metal and salvageable on the truck. Deff not going to be a overnight rebuild either.
Maybe take 2 years atleast to make it pristine.

now if your talking about a krylon makeover your deff not going to be able to sell it on syty.net or the interweb...we stalk fooked up trucks and now your sy will be followed the rest of its life.

If you have the time and money...pay someone else to do it for you....these things are no old school mucsle cars..they are very finicky!

Ive noticed you have been trying to get it running for 2 weeks now...that simple task wouldnt have takin that long with a old school mucle or more produced vehicle. Take this with a grain of salt.........research more before you dive into this thing! Most of the known to be worn out parts on these trucks are no longer made and discontinued. So taking it back to pristine is very hard to accomplish and will take mucho moola. More then the truck is worth.

Most people on this board dump alot of money in there trucks because they plan to keep it forever and they have become a family member to them. Hell, i couldnt sell my sy for what i have in it parts wise...nor labor wise.

So why do it? for the love of these animals!

To build it and flip it?....thats not love....

P.S. please dont rhino line the frame...when i own this truck i dont want to spend countless hours stripping it down to redo it.

Thanks, that is all :D
 
canadian

canadian

sy in progress
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91syclone832 said:
At quin thanks for the advice it makes sense ,, the only reason people dont buy a truck for over ten k is cause there all beat up and people want top doller. Ya my truck has 120k miles but its gonna be the cleanest truck possiblly in the south bay and ya im gonna want over ten k but thats cause it gonna look and run like a new truck and im going to have documentation on evrything with pics of process.
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First of all, you might want to check out historical prices for these trucks. Note that nobody is in the market for a $12k truck with 120k on the clock.

Sure, you'll advertise the truck as having a "newly rebuilt forged motor", and "fresh body and paint". Who's to say that Boudreaux and Cletus didn't screw together your new motor and hide assloads of bondo under that fresh House of Color paint job?

The bottom line is that you're the guy who adds up all the receipts for work done on his truck and puts in the ad "I've spent $25k on this truck (not including purchase price)" and expects someone to pay $30k for it. Guess what, it's not going to happen.

Given the option of having a low mileage, stock truck, or a high mileage "built" truck of unknown pedigree, most people in their right mind will choose the stocker. It just makes more sense.

There are a number of owners who bought or had motors built that failed because the builders didn't do it right. They had all the right parts to put in it, but jacked it up and they failed.

The bottom line is that you're going to be pissing money down a well. With any restoration you'll be lucky to get 60% of your investment back unless you're doing 1 of 10 and it's highly prized. Syclones and Typhoons are S10's and Blazers with a few special parts. Don't kid yourself, it's not a Duesenberg.

Take everybody's advice and enjoy the truck as it is. Trying to flip a SyTy for a profit in this economy is going to take a pristine low mileage truck, or you're going to have to find a shit ton of parts that fell off the back of a truck to make ANY money on a restoration.
 
leadfoot

leadfoot

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91syclone832 said:
im conteplating how hard it would be to take the body off and coat the chassis with and put all new bushings....
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Been there done that. Doing it yourself is labor intensive AFTER you strip the body, suspension, etc off of the frame. I hope you have a lot of time on your hands. :2cents:

If I were to do it again i would have the frame stripped and hot dipped galvanized (for rust) - what's the point of powder coating if no one is going to see it (plus the $) -unless you plan a trailer queen/show truck. :roll: (-or you are clinically anal retentive :rotf: )

IMO there is no $ return for the invested time, unless you plan on keeping it. :squint:
 
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turboj91

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I'll throw out my opinion since I have completed a few frame off, nut and bolt restorations and have 3 in progress at this time (not SyTy's but easier vehicles). To frame off, fully detail and make new front to rear one of these trucks, my s.w.a.g. is that you will spend $50K. Seems that you have good intensions and a goal and if you stick to it from start to finish $50K is the number. Between parts, more parts, labor, shipping, more parts, more labor, paying someone to do stuff, start to finish, $50K. What will it sell for in the end, $12.5K

Reread Harmon's post. Search what he and his wife did. Reread his $38K statement. Harmon has been in and out of these trucks front to back. This is your first project in SyTy land. You will have more than 38K into yours. Did I mention $50K.

You almost can't even make money flipping these trucks without doing anything other than cleaning it. You need to find a truck that is an unknown to the board, has low miles and needs nothing. I've seen it happen once here lately and the only reason it worked is that the truck was bought right and sold at a better than average price. It was not sold on this board.

I love doing frame offs, but I do them to muscle cars that bring money and where there is a market desire to have one that received a full frame off and factory correct restoration. Unfortuneately the SyTy's do not fit that description. I own one of each and watch the market closely. There is no demand for a frame off 120K truck that makes it feasable to complete the task. Even if it was a 45K mile truck, the market is not there. The truck will sell when your done with it but you will not make any $$$ on the deal.

Want me to do the job for you, pricing starts at $75K and goes up depending on what is wrong with it as the vehicle is disassembled. You'd have to be insane to have me do it and in all honesty, I'd prob refuse unless you had Bill Gates behind you financially. He's got the money to burn on one of these trucks.

I wish you the best of luck.
 
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91syclone832

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So how much are you asking for your sy or ty's ?????? Serious prices none of this its not for sale bullshit how much are your trucks worth evryone who is trying to dog me if they aint worth shit sell me your truck then
 
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turboj91

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91syclone832 said:
So how much are you asking for your sy or ty's ?????? Serious prices none of this its not for sale bullshit how much are your trucks worth evryone who is trying to dog me if they aint worth shit sell me your truck then
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If your asking me, neither is for sale. I have a 23K mile Ty that's worth about $14K, maybe 15 and a 47K mile Sy that's worth about $12.5K. Both are very clean and the Sy is 100% virgin. The Ty even has the spark plugs that it was born with. The underside of the Ty needs to be cleaned as it was in 2 Chicago winters and it shows. I will frame off that situation because that is what I do and the truck warrants it. The interior is 100% in every respect and the underside and the outside need to match the interior but I am anal for details. The truck will look 100% factory fresh when I am done. At that point, in today's market it might bring 18K and maybe 20 on a good day. Certaintly not worth the investment of my time and labor but I have issues with details and a factory look appearance. I do 100% of the work myself and its still not worth the $$$ in resale. I just like to have a vehicle that looks like the day it came out of the factory. I am partners in 2 body shops and 1 chassis shop, have everything I need to complete the work myself. I own an appraisal business. I do this stuff everyday of the year. I'm all about numbers. For these trucks, the numbers simply do not work to make money with an undertaking like what you want to do. Both my trucks will be in the red once I get done (and the Sy does not need any paint work) but I will have the satisfaction that they look factory fresh. I generally don't sell things and I won't sell the Sy or Ty now or later.
My suggestion is to do the work. Just don't do it thinking you will make $ after selling it. Enjoy the resto process. Learn as you go. Gain the experience. BUT keep the truck and take it to shows. Show off your efforts. Then move on to another project while still enjoying the Sy.
 
MRKING

MRKING

New Parts for Old Trucks
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I would not even recommend a frame off to someone that loves syty's . You do seem to be fascinated with this new project , but it will be short lived . Syclones have a terrible money-happiness ratio. They are unlike any other car or truck you have ever owned . You will either:

A. Work hard enough to tear it down and rebuild it successfully without dialing in the tune long enough to keep it from overboosting . Then sell it broken .

or.

B. Tear it down after it falls short of your expectations , then start rebuilding it . Then finally just part it out to get some of the money you dumped into it back .

or.

C. Get it running , then enjoy it at a slow enough pace not to blow it up .

Hopefully you choose option "c" . Just remember , the tail end of "c" leads to "a" or "b" .Its a vicious cycle . Syty's Rule .
 
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91syclone832

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Ok just to correct things he offered 15k at first if the truck was perfect and then he edited the comment to12.5k
 
JSM

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I met John Forces Mechanic once.

Rhino lined frame would turn me off as a seller.

John Forces Mechanic speaks the truth, ashame you didn't want to hear it.

Harmon I am not going to put a cage in this truck after you buy it, that Rhino frame is going to suck.

All syty owners that have been around for over 5 years are a bunch of idiots, don't believe a word they say.
 
TNPhoon

TNPhoon

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Jimmy said:
Could somebody please translate this thread to English?
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Basically, it's like the 3 or so others that have popped up in the past year:

November: "I bought a Syclone! I have been wanting one of these since I was 13!"
December: "Imma make this the baddest Syclone EVER. What do you guys think?"
January: "F*ck what you guys think! Imma do it!"
February: "Here I go!"
March: crickets
April: crickets
May: crickets
June: crickets
July: crickets
August: Powercat: Syclone For Sale $12k with a CL ad reading "motor is out, needs a complete overhaul, shit's in pieces, moving on to the next project, no low ballers!"
September: crickets
October: crickets
November: crickets
December: Harmon or Neil buy it.

The phrase "Those who do not know history are bound to repeat it" comes to mind...
 
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