should BMFB be a big gun??

[GM TURBO]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

I wish everyone would take their head out of their ass when they are trying to make a point.

I think your head is far up your ass as the rest of us. It isn't a SyTy. Never was. Never will be. This is SyTy Big Guns (and a SoGt should it ever happen which incidentally doesn't have a turbo, front diff or transfer case).

 

[T-Bone]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

I think your head is far up your ass as the rest of us.

opcorn:

 

[Captain Morgan]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

I think your head is far up your ass as the rest of us. It isn't a SyTy. Never was. Never will be. This is SyTy Big Guns (and a SoGt should it ever happen which incidentally doesn't have a turbo, front diff or transfer case).

Show me where I said it was?

I have nothing to gain from this, I personally don't care one way or another. I just made the poll based off the discussion that was started in the other thread by other members.

Yes, everyone read the "rules" that were said when the title was made. As it has been stated many times by others, rules can change. I'm not saying they should, but members have said it.

I just don't understand the idiotic Corvette/Astro/Whatever posts and references to things that aren't even remotely related to this site or this truck. If people are going to argue their opinion, whether its necessary or not, should at least try and stay in the ballpark when doing it.


On another note, I'm glad to see that this vote is pretty damn close. It's good to see where people stand and shows that not everyone follows each other on here. :tup:

 

[GM TURBO]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

The VGT Vette is a perfect example. It was built by a great member of the community. It has SyTy parts - some might argue the transfer case is an Astro van piece along with the front diff in which case the current subject is as much of an Astro van as it is a Typhoon.

I think if you're making exceptions and re-writing the rules you need to have the "what makes a syty" conversation again as that hasn't been hashed out enough over the last 15 years.

Or we can do like every other board. "Fastest cam only" "fastest NA" "fastest spray, AWD, black, 1993, no-roof rack from IL" award.

 

[denny]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Is a Corvette an S or T Series truck? Seriously, you don't have to agree with him becoming a big gun, but damn....really? .......that's the best you can come up with? Something so far out to left field its pointless?

Oh and is jericoJo your alias? Did you get your two votes in on that one?

Yes I f*ucked up here. I shouldnt take out my anger for other members on bmfb.
I actually really dont care, it dosent affect me in any way.
You can retract my votes.

 

[GM TURBO]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

The question is easy...

"What do you drive?"

I drive a Buick powered Blazer with a Typhoon front diff and transfer case.

OR

I drive a Syclone/Typhoon/SoGT. Period.

Typhoon, Syclone or SoGT can't be used as an adjective or a word to describe what you drive.

Oh yea - I don't have anything to gain from this either

 

[Norm]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

The way I see it, if the vehicle is listed in the Syclone/Typhoon registry than it should be allowed. If it is a clone say everything is transfered over from a salvage then maybe a exception. But other wise no.

 

[dgoodhue]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Also, I think the VTG Corvette is built on a T series frame and front differential/AWD transfer case.

The bigger question is

Are all 10.99 and quicker S/T series trucks going to be allowed into 'SyTy.net Big Gun' status?

 

[Sy1566]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Not for nothing but you sometimes flame up and insult members without reason. This truck is as close to a Typhoon as an 86 Monte Carlo is to an 87 Grand National. A few of the parts might be interchangable but a Monte Carlo is no GN, regardless of how fast it actually is.

 

[Captain Morgan]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

The VGT Vette is a perfect example. It was built by a great member of the community. It has SyTy parts - some might argue the transfer case is an Astro van piece along with the front diff in which case the current subject is as much of an Astro van as it is a Typhoon.

are you really serious or are you just trying to save face. I dont care what parts it has in in it. You could drop a Corvette body onto a Syclone frame drivetrain for all I care. The weight is different, the wind resistance will be different, its nowhere close to a valid argument or example.

The vehicle in question is: A. a T-series truck. B. one that could have went down the same assembly line. C. one that follows the same roots as a SyTy.

You said in an earlier post "does it have a PAS Buildsheet" or something like that, so if I swap in a 4.3L AWD drivetrain into an 89 Turbo Trans Am and run 10's, you'd be cool with that? :roll:

I think if you're making exceptions and re-writing the rules you need to have the "what makes a syty" conversation again as that hasn't been hashed out enough over the last 15 years.

I do not want to do anything. I could care less. Nobody will EVER agree on what makes a SyTy. Personally I dont think anything that is 2WD is a SyTy, I dont care what the VIN and Title say, but thats just me. I do not want my opinions/feelings to be reflected in anything that has to do with running the forum.

Or we can do like every other board. "Fastest cam only" "fastest NA" "fastest spray, AWD, black, 1993, no-roof rack from IL" award.

yeah, I also dont have any desire to make a million different specialty tags for everyones accomplishments. Heck I've been meaning to make a title just for sponsoring vendors and I havent gotten around to that either :lol:

 

[Captain Morgan]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Yes I f*ucked up here. I shouldnt take out my anger for other members on bmfb.
I actually really dont care, it dosent affect me in any way.
You can retract my votes.

awesome. why does everyone have to be so angry I wonder how many other false votes there are. :tdown:

This truck is as close to a Typhoon as an 86 Monte Carlo is to an 87 Grand National. A few of the parts might be interchangeable but a Monte Carlo is no GN, regardless of how fast it actually is.

but what if you took a GN drivetrain and put it in a Monte Carlo? They are both G-bodies. A few parts??? Try every damn part except some sheetmetal :lol:

 

[GM TURBO]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

are you really serious...

Of course not. But it's just as much of a Typhoon as the Blazer. This isn't even a clone. It's an AWD Blazer.

I'm sure the owner is a swell guy. The truck is fast. I'm sure he's contributed to the site more than some of the Real Big Guns, but that doesn't give him a parking spot reserved for Syclones, Typhoons and SoGTs.

 

[T-Bone]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

I wonder how many other false votes there are.

I wonder as well.....but from the other side. I cannot believe this is even close to being split UNLESS some folks voted for the inclusion of BMFB into the elite "Big Guns" ranks a couple times.

For the record, I like the idea of limiting awardees who run 10.99 or better to those who do it in a vehicle identified in the SyTy registry. That would include the PPG, Marlboro's, ALL prototypes and ALL legitimate Syclones, Typhoons, and Sonoma GT's. Pretty black / white and a wonderful preventative to all this other nonsense :tup:

 

[RealFastV6]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

For the record I voted yes. I can appreciate how passionate people are about this though.

The fact that it's an S-xx truck, AWD, and TurboV6, and it's a contributing member is good enough for me. I can easily see the other side of the argument though.

 

[qbnkiller]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Once again, I think there is some obfuscation here.

This is not a discussion of whether a T-series and syty are 99% similar. That does not matter one bit. This is a sy/ty/sogt site. We do discuss other things on here, but they are relegated to the OFF TOPIC section (for obvious reasons - they are NOT syty-related). We have historically allowed some latitude to the syty's that have undergone V8 swaps (in the PROJECTS section). I can understand that, as I have personally done the V8 thing. But the fact still remains....this is not S-series.org This is syty.net.

In GM's eyes, what differentiates a T-series truck from a syty? You have the powertrain, cladding, badging, etc. But ultimately you have the VIN number. This is it. We ask owners for their VIN to identify what truck number it is. Not too complicated in my eyes.

You want to have a discussion on what you personally feel should be the definition of a true syty? Good for you...do what you want. You are entitled to your opinion (as we all are), but you are not entitled to your own truth. Brian's truck (as we all agree) is a cool sleeper...fast, auto-x, etc. It has its place, but it is NOT a BG as the rules have been outlined already (ad nauseum).

If I take a 2nd-gen Bravada and add a turbo to the stock 4.3L V6, can that be a BG? If I buy a new GM "IDONTGIVEASHITWHAT" and stuff a complete syty driveline underneath, can that be a BG? What if I take a Mustang and drop in a syty driveline. How about that? You may think its silly, but the fact remains...these are NOT SYTY-VIN vehicles, and can never be considered as such. To do so is pointless.

Let's put it yet another way. GINGER makes it to Nats this year and wants to drag race. What class is that truck in? Cant be PURE STOCK, STOCK TURBO, SUPER STOCK, TOP STOCK, PRO STOCK, or OUTLAW SYTY. It can ONLY run in non-syty. Why is that? Do we change those rules as well?

EDIT:

I think it would be interesting to see who voted for each side...just to ensure no funny business has occurred.

Once again, I think Brian is a great guy. He has definitely built something neat. He is the proud owner of a Typhoon. His BG moniker would not be in question if he put that turbo 3.8L in his Ty. Not one bit. But he didnt. As I wrote before Brian, dont take it personally, or the wrong way. You still have your accomplishments which many on this site do not have. You have the satisfaction of saying 'you built it all yourself'.

 

[sychris]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

why is the vote even close . the truck we are talkin about is a 4 door CHEVY BLAZER WITH A 3.8 PONTIAC IN IT . ISNT THIS SYTY.NET .

 

[0966Sy]

Maybe the whole "Big Gun" idea was just a bad idea to begin with.

 

[RealFastV6]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Once again, I think there is some obfuscation here.

This is not a discussion of whether a T-series and syty are 99% similar. That does not matter one bit. This is a sy/ty/sogt site. We do discuss other things on here, but they are relegated to the OFF TOPIC section (for obvious reasons - they are NOT syty-related). We have historically allowed some latitude to the syty's that have undergone V8 swaps (in the PROJECTS section). I can understand that, as I have personally done the V8 thing. But the fact still remains....this is not S-series.org This is syty.net.

In GM's eyes, what differentiates a T-series truck from a syty? You have the powertrain, cladding, badging, etc. But ultimately you have the VIN number. This is it. We ask owners for their VIN to identify what truck number it is. Not too complicated in my eyes.

You want to have a discussion on what you personally feel should be the definition of a true syty? Good for you...do what you want. You are entitled to your opinion (as we all are), but you are not entitled to your own truth. Brian's truck (as we all agree) is a cool sleeper...fast, auto-x, etc. It has its place, but it is NOT a BG as the rules have been outlined already (ad nauseum).

If I take a 2nd-gen Bravada and add a turbo to the stock 4.3L V6, can that be a BG? If I buy a new GM "IDONTGIVEASHITWHAT" and stuff a complete syty driveline underneath, can that be a BG? What if I take a Mustang and drop in a syty driveline. How about that? You may think its silly, but the fact remains...these are NOT SYTY-VIN vehicles, and can never be considered as such. To do so is pointless.

Let's put it yet another way. GINGER makes it to Nats this year and wants to drag race. What class is that truck in? Cant be PURE STOCK, STOCK TURBO, SUPER STOCK, TOP STOCK, PRO STOCK, or OUTLAW SYTY. It can ONLY run in non-syty. Why is that? Do we change those rules as well?

EDIT:

I think it would be interesting to see who voted for each side...just to ensure no funny business has occurred.

Once again, I think Brian is a great guy. He has definitely built something neat. He is the proud owner of a Typhoon. His BG moniker would not be in question if he put that turbo 3.8L in his Ty. Not one bit. But he didnt. As I wrote before Brian, dont take it personally, or the wrong way. You still have your accomplishments which many on this site do not have. You have the satisfaction of saying 'you built it all yourself'.

The *only* thing this is all about is opinions.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Black Knight]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

Morgan, do you have the ability to see who voted where on your end since this poll wasn't open for us to see?

 

[MikeRenz]

Re: should BMFB be a big gun??

what would justify funny business? a vote is a vote. Whether they're voting because they are friends/enemies with BMFB, or because they feel it should/shouldn't be in big guns, or because they just want to mess with the results...a vote is a vote. We're not going to interview each voter to see why they voted the way they did.

It's not like people can vote more than once, and people can't create new usernames to vote more times....so the current count is legitimate, albeit confusing. :lol: