Turbo Blankets: update SYTY PROTOTYPE PICS

[93ty475]

Servando,

It was good talking to you yesterday. Thanks for calling. As I indicated by phone our blanket covers are made specifically for this type of application. All of our covers are custome made per order. We don't keep a "standard" part in stock. our turnaround time for making these is three to five days.

One other thing you might be interested in is that our standard one inch blanket can lower a surface temperature of say 900 F to around 170 F. That is a ballpark figure however, there are other factors that need to be taken into account for a more specific temperature reduction estoimate.

For example: I would need to know what the actual surface operating temperature is, what the expected "ambient" temperature in the engine compartment is and how much air movement there is too. if anyone on this board has that type of information I can help them detirmain the thickness of the blankets to help them meet their needs.
I can be reached here or e-mail me at jibarra@insultech.com

the pleasure was mine...what would be the difference between egt temps and surface temps, if any? someone that regularly monitors and egt gauge in there truck would have a better answer than me...also you mentioned that the standard 1" material is designed to withstand 900 or 1000f constant temp with occasional temps of 1200f...you also said that you have a higher grade material that can handle 1800f constant (correct me if im wrong)... average outside air temps, where i live, are in the upper 90's to low 100's...opening my hood during those days can be compared to openening an oven thats cooking a turkey...

i believe a product like this could prolong the life of many underhood components as in vaccuum lines, sensors, ect...i think its important that the correct material is carefully chosen and tested on a truck or two to see if it really improves our heat issues...wouldnt take long to find out...

also, ive read that there should be measurable performance gains because of the accelerated exhaust gases throught the exhaust housing and downpipe? nothing wrong with that either IMO...

can you also tell us more about the downpipe material that we spoke about? you said its different than the material on the pics of the yellow engine above...in stead of white, its of an aluminum color?

doug rodriguez is going to your facility to get measurements taken...he runs a 20g turbo...many people run a 20g, but they are not the same as all...i would suspect that most people are running a stock turbo, pte, or 20g....if we cannot come up with a turbo like mine in CA, i'll just send you mine...

last question...someone showed interest in an exhaust manifold cover...what kind of fasteners do you use to fasten those covers...they're hard to see in the above pics...

heres a quick comparison of stock vs. a typical pte upgrade

many more pictures of this installation can be found here http://www.syty.net/personal/Syclone/pte.htm

thanks for your interest julio,

 

[93ty475]

I'd be in on this gp for a stock turbo size if it happens and there not overly priced

julio,

do you think we could get a "mas o menos" (more or less) price figure on this product? these turbo's are certainly smaller than what i think you're used to working with...that would be great info as well...

thanks,

 

[jwaller]

typical egt runs from 800-1000 in cruise and 1500 max at wot but for most of us thats only about 2% of the total operating time.

I have seen these and other types of blankets installed on the aircraft I regularly fly and I can say they definatly work. I would be very interested in a stock style blanket. it would be wonderful to see a blanket for the entire exhaust manifold but that would be very costly, maybe just one for the pass side so that all of our IC's wouldnt see so muh heat.

ambient underhood temps are probably in the 250-300 deg range and stock trucks have very little airflow. those of us with modifyed trucks see much more airflow and cooler underhood temps. dues to less crap under the hood(better flow) and more airflow for cooler eng temps.

HTH

 

[Julio]

Hi guys,

Turbo covers are only a small part of what we cover. and the gray canvas looking material is only one type of "outer" cover we use.

We make these heat blankets for various types of engines (mostly larger generator and truck type). But also for small 3 cylinder engines too. I have made them for 1" exhaust pipe diameter upto 24" diamter pipe. Most manifolds are easy to cover (it depends on the available room for the thickness requierments of the blankets).

As for the outer materials the gray stuff is pretty standard, and it is generally pretty tuff. I also use a lighter cloth with a very shiny alumanised finish looks like chrome but its not as durable. I can also make these with a Stainless steel foil very tough, but WAY more costly due to the tooling requierments to make these.

The point is they can be made to fit anyone requierments and budgets. From your perspectives however my guess is your needs are effectiveness and performance. You guys use a lot of terminology I don't understand but I do get a good idea of what you are saying.

My clients needs also include emission reqhuierments. Because these blankets keep the heat in the exhaust flows run hotter and create a more cleaner exahust. It is very common for me to make blankets for catalytic converters and entire mufflers too. Some big enough to walk into (crawl actually).

Most of our turbo covers are under $120 bucks manifolds vary between a couple hundred to under 60 bucks. To give you a better idea I have a kit cover for a John Deere 6068T for $266. The kit includes the manifold, the turbo, and the turbo outlet. I have a manifold balnket for a Cat 3014 for $75. The list goes on and on. By the looks on the pictures above the modifications on the newer turbo wouldn't be a reason for a more costly blanket.

Hope some of this helps. I have lots more infor if your interested.

Julio

p.s. speaking of manifold balnkets someone asked about fastners. Ours come with stainless steel lacing hooks (like you see on some work boots but a little bigger) we also provide you with stainless steel tie wire to lace them with. The installation is easy, just like lacing on your shoes (kinda!).

 

[JustBeachin]

I have a couple of stock turbos laying around in the garage, I'll bring the clean one with me to have measured up, and the 20g that's on there bolts right up, so they're pretty much the same.

Not sure how much room there'd be under there for blankets for the manifolds, but we'll see...,

 

[sytyguy]

I'm in for 2 designed for the stock exhaust housing.

Hood

 

[JustBeachin]

Was just thinking, that maybe the exhaust manifold will be difficult to access, it may make more sense to insulate turbo, and upper i/c.

Will have him take measurements and check out costs for that too while I'm there.

 

[Julio]

Just beachen,

I ususlly get here between 0700 and 0730 hours. If there is anyway you could get here later than 0630 I would like to be here to see your parts and talk more about this type of applicatoin for these blankets.

By the way, have you been given our new address? as of two weeks ago we are nolonger in Irvine. We are off Harbor Blvd near the 405. Call me if you need directions.

my number here at work is 714 384-0506

 

[just a 6]

Okay, I just got fof the phone with them and will take my truck in monday moring at 6:30 am Monday to have them take measurements for a turbo blanket.

I would be interested in manifold blankets (both side) with the turbo blanket.

Thanks,

 

[JustBeachin]

Update: I took my Ty down to Insultech to have them measure it up. While I was there, they took measurements, pics, for the upper intercooler, turbo and downpipe. I also left a stock turbo to use for a model.

Julio gave me a tour of the shop, and they have a lot of good material to work with. They recommended a turbo and downpipe blanket to keep the heat in, and a reflective material, insulated about ½" to reflect the heat away from the Upper Intercooler.

I don't think they'd be able to make blankets for the exhaust manifolds due to the limited access, and they felt that reflective material on the upper I/C would accomplish a lot more.

 

[Julio]

Good morning to all,

Fist I'd like to say thanks to Doug for bringing his truck out here to see us and to let us check out his ride. Doug's drive out here gave me a very good insight as the type of community you SyTy guys are. I got to work a little before 7:30 and Doug was already here. Despite his having to drive about 40 miles to get here his engine was already cooler than I expected telling me he got an early early start.

Anyway, having had a chance to see one of these vehicles we now have a much better idea of what we are dealing with.

One thing I noticed is that space is very limited around the manifolds. Although it is not impossible the process of making a very thin, stainless steel foil wrapped covers it would be very expensive to make.

Doug is right, While he was here my boss happened to be around and he suggested wrapping the intercooler. This will be relatively easy to do. The down pipe and the turbo are not that difficult to make though because of the A/C bracket one inch of fiberglass will not fit.

I will have to run some numbers to see what half-inch of fiberglass will do. If anyone has any temperature readings from the turbo and down pipe after have run your machine for a while I could really use that info.

Please write me here or e-mail me the info if you have it.

Thanks, again Doug it was good meeting you this morning. I will have Thong measure your turbo today and send you your turbo back this week.

 

[ZMann]

Doug, thanks for making this trip for us! I will be VERY interested in what we can come up with for our applications. Im very interested in a turbo/dp blanket. As well as a ic wrap.

 

[libertysyclone]

This may be a stupid question but, I have heard of n/a guy wrapping their headers and this shortening the life of them by basically putting to much heat into them that it desinnegrates (spell?) the pipin. would the case be the same with a turbo or will the bigger amount of metal and oil/water cooling solve this?

 

[93ty475]

because of the A/C bracket one inch of fiberglass will not fit.
I will have to run some numbers to see what half-inch of fiberglass will do

julio,

i went to go look at my ty (its stock) and i see what you mean about the a/c braket...couldn't you use 1 inch material for the turbo blanket and notch out the tight spot with half inch thick or less material where the a/c bracket is ??

thanks,

 

[93ty475]

This may be a stupid question but, I have heard of n/a guy wrapping their headers and this shortening the life of them by basically putting to much heat into them that it desinnegrates (spell?) the pipin. would the case be the same with a turbo or will the bigger amount of metal and oil/water cooling solve this?

i think what you're reffering to is cracks on manifolds and or headers....i've heard of that as well...i doubt the manifolds will just crumble to powder because of a heating issue...or at east i hope they wont...

 

[Jimmy]

Good morning to all,

Fist I'd like to say thanks to Doug for bringing his truck out here to see us and to let us check out his ride. Doug's drive out here gave me a very good insight as the type of community you SyTy guys are. I got to work a little before 7:30 and Doug was already here. Despite his having to drive about 40 miles to get here his engine was already cooler than I expected telling me he got an early early start.

Anyway, having had a chance to see one of these vehicles we now have a much better idea of what we are dealing with.

One thing I noticed is that space is very limited around the manifolds. Although it is not impossible the process of making a very thin, stainless steel foil wrapped covers it would be very expensive to make.

Doug is right, While he was here my boss happened to be around and he suggested wrapping the intercooler. This will be relatively easy to do. The down pipe and the turbo are not that difficult to make though because of the A/C bracket one inch of fiberglass will not fit.

I will have to run some numbers to see what half-inch of fiberglass will do. If anyone has any temperature readings from the turbo and down pipe after have run your machine for a while I could really use that info.

Please write me here or e-mail me the info if you have it.

Thanks, again Doug it was good meeting you this morning. I will have Thong measure your turbo today and send you your turbo back this week.

I usually see 900-1000 degrees while cruising,and 1400 WOT.

 

[Vaders Sy]

Is there anyway we could figure the measurements for the PTE turbos? I would like one for my TE-44.

 

[JustBeachin]

Julio would be better at answering that, I'll let him chime in, but with some pics, and some measurements, and any clearance issues addressed, I'm sure it's possible.

 

[93ty475]

my friend, greg came by my warehouse today to buy some grader tires...he's the guy with the twin turbo detroit diesel f350 i mentioned in my first post of this thread...i snapped a few pics...he put this work truck together in his spare time.......its a "two stroke" diesel engine...the motor was given to him and the truck obviously didnt cost very much either...he rebuilt the motor and twin turbo'd it...it sounds like a freight train and it hauls ass...its been to and from his homestate of california numerous times...note the fuel tank on the last pic...

 

[93ty475]

I spoke to julio and he say's he need a syty upper intercooler to make the intercooler shield...can anybody come up with one in his area?....also needs a pte type exhaust housing (a/r .85) if possible...

email from julio:
Servando,

I took only 4 pictures (one from all sides) the blanket is a one inch blanket with an opening allowing for the operation of the wastegate link and an exposed area were we think the A/C bracket is. This could probably be a little shorter (I'm not sure). I would need feed back on this.

Although Guili did a great job at building this prototype. The blanket looks loose in the pictures because it is a loose fitting (there are no lacing hooks installed yet). It is only a design fitting. We will probably be re-locating the "split" on the blanket so that it will be easier to lace it shut. Right now the "split is just above the manifold bolt flange. This area will be very tight to work in. I'm hoping we can move this a little higher maybe closer to the top of the opening.

As I mentioned to you by phone I have the costs figured out but I need approval before I can post them. I will meet with Guili and my boss tomorrow to go over these things issues. In the mean time. Let me know what you think.

Julio

here is the stock syty exhaust housing prototype pics...without laces...